oh, okay, I didn't realize you were 12

nice meme

'lol herp derp, I'm such a jerk because of my intellect'.

I like how my point is being ignored.

Because it's too difficult to argue.

I'm not even Christian.

@Maw We're discussing the origins of Christian morality, which pre-date christianity in Europe. It goes back to Judaism and Hellenism as well. I'm not ignoring you

I'm sorry, but I focused on one person @Maw, sorry if you felt like you were being ignored

the origins of morality

It's all good, I figured this was about America's founding, though?

no, I just said the stuff about the words on the money because you mentioned those words

Christian morality has changed since its inception/genesis, arguing about the foundations of it seems... irrelevant when it's been reformed so many times.

it is central to my argument against western morality somehow being christian in origin, when the origin of morality is much less rigid than such thinking would have you believe

it is not static, it evolves, is still evolving - but it all has a fundamental basis in wellbeing

Why is adultery bad?

I could think of several reasons why it would be considered "bad", none of which needs there to be a christian god in the picture

Why does the west primarily only see monogamy as the only legal form of marriage?

I also think pre-christian cultures saw adultery as bad

some might not have

this can point to different branches in the evolution of morality in certain cultures

What the Jews did in the ancient world was pretty unique, because instead of polytheism where the people would just mirror their own behavior onto that of 'the gods' and the natural world, they came up with the concept of monotheism in which the people were beholden to the singular will of *A* god, in a father-like fashion.

Then they merged that concept with the Greeks and christianity was born in which that God was no longer the same as the natural world, but above it and to be compared against.

That's a huge deal. Comparing the individual to a 'perfect being' in order to orient yourself in the world, versus being at the whim of 'gods' that tend to act like the worst of us.

Some actually outlaw polygamy, last I remember.

I think most western countries outlaw polygamy

but I could be wrong

Why though?

If not for Christianity.

Polygamy creates more violent societies

anyway, have to afk for a while

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The Romans weren't actually too violent, and they certainly were promiscuous. Before the 'but they took over places', they were very, very kind occupiers.

Generally wanted to avoid bloodshed.

You had legions. So they used their violence productively

Last I remember, back during that time, raping and pillaging were morally acceptable.

Not something I heard of the legion doing very often.

It's hard to maintain an empire abroad when you've ransacked the new neighbors

Tell that to how many other armies have taken over places and done the same.

And maintained the same.

See also: Afghanistan

At the time, the Romans were fairly progressive. I've had this argument come up before.

They had volunteers from conquered cities reinforcing their legions.

Yes, which is why they didn't usually ransack new lands, until later in the empire era