and that was roundly rejected around these parts

well, now it's turning into a churn of labels. First it was "republican" / "conservative", then you have "classic liberal" and now "libertarian". basically because the left labeled everything as "alt-right" then, now its turning into a mush of labels and even I have a hard time figuring out what side I even stand on because there are so many labels now, but the nuances are rather small

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> First it was "republican" / "conservative", then you have "classic liberal" and now "libertarian"

Libertarian has been around for a while. Reagan was grilled on calling himself libertarian.

what if we call ourselves black jewish homosexuals? then they have to turn that into a bad thing <:makes_you_think:382980749780844554>

It goes back further than that

Yep.

Just call us aliens and be done with it

or maybe I'm just talking trash here, but here's the thing I noticed about youtubers at least:

- sargon says he's liberal
- tim pool says he's liberal
- Dankula says he's libertarian
- Steven Crowder says he's conservative

And they agree on a lot of points, so idk where to even draw the boundaries anymore between "conservative" and "classic liberal".

we may as well be aliens to the ctl-left

@fschutt How old are you?

all these political terms are relative, subjective and meaningless.

they're all just normal people

I can literally draw circles on the political compass for these terms

I'm the same label I was 10 years ago, when Sargon was working in an office 🤷🏿

Conservative and Liberal can be very close, or very distant. It is a spectrum.

the normal liberal and conservative definitions don't matter anymore as they're so close compared to the alt right and far left that they may as well be centrist

A spectrum, just like autism <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

@Mal does coca-cola have death squads?
checkmate statist

those big vats in their production facilities? Clone trooper vats <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

oy vey

Yeah libertarian has been around for a while.The memes are about internet libertarians who are in fact retarded.

Well fuck

I'm not that old. I mean I can vote (although I choose not to), but I don't spend most of my day on politics, so I'm not very well-versed on politics.

Guys, young people are into fads.

but atleast you all got you learn what all the words actually mean

cus school wasn't gunna teach you

Conservative is a loose term, relative to the current political paradigm.

Libertarian is a consistent set of beliefs about the status of government in relation to the citizens

Yah

Both are classical liberals

Libertarian thinks govt should fuck off to varying degrees

but this got me thinking: dankula considers himself a libertarian, but would you? Or is he also a "classic liberal"?

I mean, if you can draw circles, that would actually be pretty helpful. Because at least for me this "spectrum" is more or less turning into a complete mush of labels.

it's not a spectrum

You can be both

It's an overlap

Conservative, in the US context, *is* liberal. Because the only political tradition to 'conserve' here is classical liberalism from the enlightenment.

Correct

It is a spectrum, but in more than two directions.