Message from @galesteppes

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and that was roundly rejected around these parts

2019-01-25 00:33:30 UTC  

well, now it's turning into a churn of labels. First it was "republican" / "conservative", then you have "classic liberal" and now "libertarian". basically because the left labeled everything as "alt-right" then, now its turning into a mush of labels and even I have a hard time figuring out what side I even stand on because there are so many labels now, but the nuances are rather small

2019-01-25 00:33:52 UTC  

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2019-01-25 00:34:08 UTC  

> First it was "republican" / "conservative", then you have "classic liberal" and now "libertarian"

2019-01-25 00:34:36 UTC  

Libertarian has been around for a while. Reagan was grilled on calling himself libertarian.

2019-01-25 00:34:48 UTC  

what if we call ourselves black jewish homosexuals? then they have to turn that into a bad thing <:makes_you_think:382980749780844554>

2019-01-25 00:34:54 UTC  

It goes back further than that

2019-01-25 00:35:06 UTC  

Yep.

2019-01-25 00:36:52 UTC  

Just call us aliens and be done with it

2019-01-25 00:37:00 UTC  

or maybe I'm just talking trash here, but here's the thing I noticed about youtubers at least:

- sargon says he's liberal
- tim pool says he's liberal
- Dankula says he's libertarian
- Steven Crowder says he's conservative

And they agree on a lot of points, so idk where to even draw the boundaries anymore between "conservative" and "classic liberal".

2019-01-25 00:37:01 UTC  

we may as well be aliens to the ctl-left

2019-01-25 00:37:23 UTC  

@fschutt How old are you?

2019-01-25 00:37:26 UTC  

all these political terms are relative, subjective and meaningless.

2019-01-25 00:37:41 UTC  

they're all just normal people

2019-01-25 00:37:50 UTC  

I can literally draw circles on the political compass for these terms

2019-01-25 00:37:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/538155509577154563/5297e35e7d6e5262a024c61a890fd599.png

I'm the same label I was 10 years ago, when Sargon was working in an office 🀷🏿

2019-01-25 00:38:10 UTC  

Conservative and Liberal can be very close, or very distant. It is a spectrum.

2019-01-25 00:38:20 UTC  

the normal liberal and conservative definitions don't matter anymore as they're so close compared to the alt right and far left that they may as well be centrist

2019-01-25 00:38:27 UTC  

A spectrum, just like autism <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

2019-01-25 00:38:34 UTC  

@Mal does coca-cola have death squads?
checkmate statist

2019-01-25 00:38:48 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/538155747293396994/death_squads.png

2019-01-25 00:38:58 UTC  

those big vats in their production facilities? Clone trooper vats <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

2019-01-25 00:38:59 UTC  

oy vey

2019-01-25 00:39:12 UTC  

Yeah libertarian has been around for a while.The memes are about internet libertarians who are in fact retarded.

2019-01-25 00:39:15 UTC  

Well fuck

2019-01-25 00:40:31 UTC  

I'm not that old. I mean I can vote (although I choose not to), but I don't spend most of my day on politics, so I'm not very well-versed on politics.

Guys, young people are into fads.

but atleast you all got you learn what all the words actually mean

cus school wasn't gunna teach you

2019-01-25 00:41:34 UTC  

Conservative is a loose term, relative to the current political paradigm.

Libertarian is a consistent set of beliefs about the status of government in relation to the citizens

2019-01-25 00:41:59 UTC  

Yah

2019-01-25 00:42:20 UTC  

Both are classical liberals

2019-01-25 00:42:37 UTC  

Libertarian thinks govt should fuck off to varying degrees

2019-01-25 00:42:45 UTC  

but this got me thinking: dankula considers himself a libertarian, but would you? Or is he also a "classic liberal"?

2019-01-25 00:42:52 UTC  

I mean, if you can draw circles, that would actually be pretty helpful. Because at least for me this "spectrum" is more or less turning into a complete mush of labels.

2019-01-25 00:43:00 UTC  

it's not a spectrum

2019-01-25 00:43:00 UTC  

You can be both

2019-01-25 00:43:07 UTC  

It's an overlap

2019-01-25 00:43:10 UTC  

Conservative, in the US context, *is* liberal. Because the only political tradition to 'conserve' here is classical liberalism from the enlightenment.

2019-01-25 00:43:22 UTC  

Correct

2019-01-25 00:43:23 UTC  

It is a spectrum, but in more than two directions.