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First question, do you think Communism is flawed for counting on people to be so moral as to be ok with being forced to work for no reward in order to provide for others? Follow-up question after this.
I think it's flawed for being antithetical to people's rights to liberty
Under communism, the people are rewarded. They’re rewarded with a job right after school, a house, food, healthcare, etc.
It's glorified slave labor
You really shouldn’t be going for the morality argument because capitalism is far from moral.
To shit with the workers, it’s all about the profit!
Communism, To shit with food we will starve
Capitalism = free voluntary interactions between people
Capitalism is morally neutral
I just facepalmed so fucking hard I knocked my fucking head off. @Deleted User
fuck this question, because we have a factory here that's owned by the workers, so I agree in a single instance, but in an entire country it's shit
A factory won't run well democraticially
@meratrix you facepalmed at that fact that the free market takes advantage of the working class? Same here bro
No, on you.
They don’t
If a company treats it's workers badly, they will leave.
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You can't just exploit willy nilly
that is literally what happens
https://i.gyazo.com/455378f3c3252542fd6b11c1c9c91091.png My 8 values results.
RADICAL CENTRIST
Democracy is anti voluntary. It implies a majority deciding against the minority
kaden is a communist
Ah, well, what zaddy said about "rewards" in Communism does bring us back to the matter of execution over concept, what with inefficiency and government corruption and all.
My follow-up question was going to be this: Would you say capitalism requires people to be vigilant hawks wary of who they buy from and who they vote for, and to be more self-reliant whenever possible? If so, how would you say that's more moral than Communism's forced morals?
And then after hearing suggestions from you, I was going to offer my own ideas on the matter.
Even marx said socialism isnt a long term state. It is to quickly move to communism
Engels actually talks about this, individuals under capitalism believe that workers freely sign mutually beneficial contractual agreements with their employers @meratrix it’s either they choose to be exploited or not work at all
So what's wrong with that?
Or work somewhere else
Like a competitor
It's not exploitation if it's voluntary
workers exploit corporations
@Deleted User Signing a contract to work for somebody is not fucking exploitation. Holy shit that's retarded.
That’s better than socialism you will just be exploited
and vice versa
And in the age of social media. Someone who abuses workers wont keep it quiet long
just because your soy tears *feels* like it's exploitation doesn't make it so
You can only exploit workers when there is no competition or they are very dedicated. Take the RDR2 story where some workers worked 100 hours work weeks.