Message from @DeadlyFish

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2018-10-29 18:29:31 UTC  

It's glorified slave labor

2018-10-29 18:29:56 UTC  

You really shouldn’t be going for the morality argument because capitalism is far from moral.

2018-10-29 18:30:11 UTC  

To shit with the workers, it’s all about the profit!

2018-10-29 18:30:23 UTC  

Communism, To shit with food we will starve

2018-10-29 18:30:30 UTC  

Capitalism = free voluntary interactions between people

2018-10-29 18:30:33 UTC  

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2018-10-29 18:30:46 UTC  

Capitalism is morally neutral

2018-10-29 18:30:55 UTC  

I just facepalmed so fucking hard I knocked my fucking head off. @Deleted User

2018-10-29 18:30:59 UTC  

fuck this question, because we have a factory here that's owned by the workers, so I agree in a single instance, but in an entire country it's shit

2018-10-29 18:31:25 UTC  

A factory won't run well democraticially

2018-10-29 18:31:26 UTC  

@Angus The key point there is *voluntary*

2018-10-29 18:31:52 UTC  

@meratrix you facepalmed at that fact that the free market takes advantage of the working class? Same here bro

2018-10-29 18:32:02 UTC  

No, on you.

2018-10-29 18:32:07 UTC  

They don’t

2018-10-29 18:32:13 UTC  

If a company treats it's workers badly, they will leave.

2018-10-29 18:32:23 UTC  

^

2018-10-29 18:32:26 UTC  

You can't just exploit willy nilly

2018-10-29 18:32:29 UTC  

Oh! Yes, the classic argument

2018-10-29 18:32:36 UTC  

that is literally what happens

2018-10-29 18:32:37 UTC  
2018-10-29 18:32:46 UTC  

RADICAL CENTRIST

2018-10-29 18:32:49 UTC  

Democracy is anti voluntary. It implies a majority deciding against the minority

2018-10-29 18:33:09 UTC  

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2018-10-29 18:33:14 UTC  

kaden is a communist

2018-10-29 18:33:44 UTC  

Ah, well, what zaddy said about "rewards" in Communism does bring us back to the matter of execution over concept, what with inefficiency and government corruption and all.
My follow-up question was going to be this: Would you say capitalism requires people to be vigilant hawks wary of who they buy from and who they vote for, and to be more self-reliant whenever possible? If so, how would you say that's more moral than Communism's forced morals?
And then after hearing suggestions from you, I was going to offer my own ideas on the matter.

2018-10-29 18:33:47 UTC  

Even marx said socialism isnt a long term state. It is to quickly move to communism

2018-10-29 18:34:15 UTC  

Engels actually talks about this, individuals under capitalism believe that workers freely sign mutually beneficial contractual agreements with their employers @meratrix it’s either they choose to be exploited or not work at all

2018-10-29 18:34:31 UTC  

So what's wrong with that?

2018-10-29 18:34:33 UTC  

Or work somewhere else

2018-10-29 18:34:42 UTC  

Like a competitor

2018-10-29 18:34:49 UTC  

It's not exploitation if it's voluntary

2018-10-29 18:34:59 UTC  

workers exploit corporations

2018-10-29 18:35:01 UTC  

@Deleted User Signing a contract to work for somebody is not fucking exploitation. Holy shit that's retarded.

2018-10-29 18:35:02 UTC  

That’s better than socialism you will just be exploited

2018-10-29 18:35:02 UTC  

and vice versa

2018-10-29 18:35:08 UTC  

And in the age of social media. Someone who abuses workers wont keep it quiet long

2018-10-29 18:35:11 UTC  

just because your soy tears *feels* like it's exploitation doesn't make it so

2018-10-29 18:35:24 UTC  

You can only exploit workers when there is no competition or they are very dedicated. Take the RDR2 story where some workers worked 100 hours work weeks.

2018-10-29 18:35:37 UTC  

OMG the exploitation argument? lol

2018-10-29 18:35:39 UTC  

@Deleted User Read a fucking economics textbook.

2018-10-29 18:35:41 UTC  

holy shit