The hierarchies that developed

@Fitzydog try supplying something for your own side first, then I'll answer you. If you don't make an effort then I won't.

Gravity is real is an objective truth, while the bible is true would be a subjective.

```Straw man. I said it isn't objective because moral frameworks differ everywhere, every place, in every time period. And even in groups of people who share a general moral code there are completely different takes on every situation imaginable. Morality cannot possibly be an objective standard if it varies this much. End of story.``` I can say you are made out of catfood which would be my subjective opinion but that most certainly isn't the objective truth... or is it...

@Roarey why do you bother with @DanConway then?

Morality to me is the same.

He hasn't made an effort yet

@Roarey I sent a video that explains a logical argument for universal ethics entrenched in human psychology

@DanConway there are similarities of course, but how does this mean morality is objective?

@Deleted User I feel like it at the moment. No other reason.

```Gravity is real is an objective truth, while the bible is true would be a subjective.``` Does the bible really mention gravity?

Cruxifying religious zealots is an objective good <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
change my mind

The base morality is objective. Dont muder, dont steal ect. The aplication is subjective. Murding x for x is ok.

What is the objective moral standard? Can any of you actually state what it is, this thing you're certain exists?

the same way peoples understanding of physics were similar across cultures

@Deleted User - Would putting you on a cross change your mind?

It was reality that shaped those beliefs in how the world operates

Ie. Murder is objectively bad. But murder in self defense is subjectively good or bad depending on the culture

@Roarey - It's a big formula homie.

And through how reality made what is objective about reality apparent

we can better understand morality

Does everyone talking have a mic and headset?

Theft is objectively bad. But type of theft and from who and why can be good or bad culturally

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki
In America, self defense == good
In Britbongistan, self defense == bad

But in both murder is bad

Example of morality being objective and subjective at the same time

Are mathematics an objective truth?

@Deleted User - Legally and socialy don't really make a thing bad or good, only bad or good to them. Good and bad in the general conversations people have is related to something more like natural law kind of context.

yes

You know, I've had a swell idea. How about, who gives a shit.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki murder isn't objectively bad. It is bad if you value human life, if you believe human beings deserve to live. It also depends on what the definition of murder is, which is something people have to agree on by way of enshrining it in law.

@meratrix the religious zealot obviously

and is it something that exists irrespective of human conciseness?

@meratrix - Yea, why should we give a shit about eating your face being good or bad.

depends on who or what you are murdering

Again all nations and cultures abhore cold blooded murder.

@ConceptHut You fail to understand the point of my statement I see.

The implimentation of what quantifies cold blooded is the subjective part

@meratrix - What was your point?

What about hot blooded murders? Is that a thing?

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki yes, but note that what cultures decide actually constitutes murder is what varies. Example: in Islam, killing an unbeliever is not murder.