this is not a positive claim

Im hoping the ""s was to point out that it was someone's statement and how it is on its face just silly.

Much like "Capitalism isn't perfect so lets toss it out the window and try something that has never actually functioned as what it says on the tin."

I will ask a simple question

Does reason exist irrespective of human consciousness?

Tbh i find morality to be both objective and subjective at the same time. It is objective in the logical sense of "cold blooded murder isnt something you should do." But objective in the sense that depending on culture and other factors what the definition of "cold blud" can change.

Straw man. I said it isn't objective because moral frameworks differ everywhere, every place, in every time period. And even in groups of people who share a general moral code there are completely different takes on every situation imaginable. Morality cannot possibly be an objective standard if it varies this much. End of story.

this is again retarded

boomer

Demonstrate how, idiot.

Dont look at how different things are

Don't just assert it's retarded

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki - Like the variations of truth that exist?

It is amazing how similar cultures are throughout time

@Roarey zealots who believe themselves to be above others are mentally incapable of understanding

@Roarey Why are we morally superior or "further civilized/progressed whatever" than our ancestors?

In a sense

the moral codes that grew with in vaccumes

You have objective and subjective truths

@Fitzydog - Because it's my culture and I say so.

The hierarchies that developed

@Fitzydog try supplying something for your own side first, then I'll answer you. If you don't make an effort then I won't.

Gravity is real is an objective truth, while the bible is true would be a subjective.

```Straw man. I said it isn't objective because moral frameworks differ everywhere, every place, in every time period. And even in groups of people who share a general moral code there are completely different takes on every situation imaginable. Morality cannot possibly be an objective standard if it varies this much. End of story.``` I can say you are made out of catfood which would be my subjective opinion but that most certainly isn't the objective truth... or is it...

@Roarey why do you bother with @DanConway then?

Morality to me is the same.

He hasn't made an effort yet

@Roarey I sent a video that explains a logical argument for universal ethics entrenched in human psychology

@DanConway there are similarities of course, but how does this mean morality is objective?

@Deleted User I feel like it at the moment. No other reason.

```Gravity is real is an objective truth, while the bible is true would be a subjective.``` Does the bible really mention gravity?

Cruxifying religious zealots is an objective good <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
change my mind

The base morality is objective. Dont muder, dont steal ect. The aplication is subjective. Murding x for x is ok.

What is the objective moral standard? Can any of you actually state what it is, this thing you're certain exists?

the same way peoples understanding of physics were similar across cultures

@Deleted User - Would putting you on a cross change your mind?

It was reality that shaped those beliefs in how the world operates

Ie. Murder is objectively bad. But murder in self defense is subjectively good or bad depending on the culture

@Roarey - It's a big formula homie.

And through how reality made what is objective about reality apparent

we can better understand morality