Message from @meratrix
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lemme stop you right there
Let him finish
I started my own server, does anyone wanna join?
I have a beef with first mover
ok
If nothing can move on its own, something must move first right?
Chqnge my mind: the R9 fury is better than the GTX 1080
that is not the argument it is a question of: can there be an infinite regress?
I got mine for $200 new
Before the coinfags bought them all
so youre using first mover as a starting point
but you cant affirm when i restate it to you?
what is more likely in your opinion?
As infinite regress, or a first mover?
If nothing can move on its own, something must move first.
Things are moving.
Too bad gravity from one stationary object can move another stationary object.
but ill hear you out
but this is the crux
do continue im intrigued
He's talking before gravity existed, something caused it to come into existence
or, reality in general
except gravity is just the bending of spacetime.
Gravity is a feature of reality itself, and nothing exists without reality, so we're on to first cause, which is my favorite.
Back
Let me guess
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> Something must have come first
> Whatever came first must be special so it is a god who cares about our foreskins
Well the crux of the point was that logic
a sequence of reasoning or justification that can never come to an end.
is illogical
hence an infinite regress does not fall in line with logic?
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My version
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> It seems like something came from nothing at some point
> I think its hydrogen
ok good
so is that because you find an infinite regress to be objectively illogical
Not necessarily, because reality is infinite as far as we know, which makes it plausible that reality has always been a thing
it is either the case that reality is infinite or it is not
and that is objectively true
In either case, subatomic particles coming from nothing is more likely than god coming from nothing
Im not making a case for god
but yes i suppose those are the options
then what is the basis for your objective morality?
I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one