Message from @DanConway
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but this is the crux
do continue im intrigued
He's talking before gravity existed, something caused it to come into existence
or, reality in general
except gravity is just the bending of spacetime.
so nothing cause it to come into existence
Gravity is a feature of reality itself, and nothing exists without reality, so we're on to first cause, which is my favorite.
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Let me guess
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> Something must have come first
> Whatever came first must be special so it is a god who cares about our foreskins
Well the crux of the point was that logic
a sequence of reasoning or justification that can never come to an end.
is illogical
hence an infinite regress does not fall in line with logic?
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My version
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> It seems like something came from nothing at some point
> I think its hydrogen
ok good
so is that because you find an infinite regress to be objectively illogical
Not necessarily, because reality is infinite as far as we know, which makes it plausible that reality has always been a thing
it is either the case that reality is infinite or it is not
In either case, subatomic particles coming from nothing is more likely than god coming from nothing
Im not making a case for god
but yes i suppose those are the options
then what is the basis for your objective morality?
I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one
and an objectively moral one is more likely
alright present your proof
My main argument is that an amoral universe is self refuting
please give me a moment to explain why
so a universe that is amoral by definition does not exist?
hey, uhh, fun fact, but 8 dimensional holographic universe theory actually has an argument for human consciousness being an emergent and necessary part of reality
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No i am claiming that to say that "There are no Moral claims, is of itself a moral claim"
do explain
it is illogical in the same way we would both find an infinite regress illogical
There are no Moral claims is an absolute
i wish i understood half of these words because it seems interesting
> ontological
tautological
no