or, reality in general

except gravity is just the bending of spacetime.

so nothing cause it to come into existence

Gravity is a feature of reality itself, and nothing exists without reality, so we're on to first cause, which is my favorite.

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Let me guess
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> Something must have come first
> Whatever came first must be special so it is a god who cares about our foreskins

Well the crux of the point was that logic

a sequence of reasoning or justification that can never come to an end.

is illogical

hence an infinite regress does not fall in line with logic?

@🌻 togepi 🌻 take his foreskin

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My version
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> It seems like something came from nothing at some point
> I think its hydrogen

ok good

so is that because you find an infinite regress to be objectively illogical

Not necessarily, because reality is infinite as far as we know, which makes it plausible that reality has always been a thing

it is either the case that reality is infinite or it is not

and that is objectively true

In either case, subatomic particles coming from nothing is more likely than god coming from nothing

Im not making a case for god

but yes i suppose those are the options

then what is the basis for your objective morality?

I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one

and an objectively moral one is more likely

alright present your proof

My main argument is that an amoral universe is self refuting

please give me a moment to explain why

so a universe that is amoral by definition does not exist?

hey, uhh, fun fact, but 8 dimensional holographic universe theory actually has an argument for human consciousness being an emergent and necessary part of reality

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No i am claiming that to say that "There are no Moral claims, is of itself a moral claim"

do explain

it is illogical in the same way we would both find an infinite regress illogical

There are no Moral claims is an absolute

i wish i understood half of these words because it seems interesting

> ontological

tautological

no

thats what paul is doing tho
it translates to: wordplay

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By saying there are no moral claims. You are making one moral claim