hmmm

i would say yes

For sure, because it's a manly skill, ans delicate work is a mark of high proficiency. Flowers aren't just for women, men just need wear them more sparingly. Growing flowers is in itself a useful skill, specialized agriculture if you're talking technical skills

fixing up stuff is always a plus. plumbing, automotives, wiring, etc

what would i need to make for you to not consider it manly

because i'd say woodworking is for both sexes

Yeah

Woodworking as a trade is manly

Woodworking small figurines is still a bit manly, but I wouldn't object to women doing it

Women shouldn't make tables and shit though

Well, look at that, Vitality is a pseudo-philistine. Who knew.

I am growing a pomegranate tree not because I like growing things but so I can harvest the testosterone benefits from it, same reason why I am going to grow onions.

Onions are shit tho 😩

Hobbies with no practical application are pointless. Painters that are bad at painting should find a new hobby begore they run out of time to get good at something that will serve them. Same with any other hobby, but music fits into tine gaps and can be brute-force learned in spurts and starts. Painting cannot effectively. Unless one is set on producing icons or something of spiritual service, painting becomes a wholly self-absorbing time sink without skill. A plain wooden bowl is of infinitely more worth than a mediocre painting, because at least it serves its function well.

>Implying God is not glorified in his creation and in its action

HoBbIeS wItH nO aPpLiCaTiOn ArE pOiNtLeSs BrO

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That's very pro-gamer of you

Well, I did mean within reason.

I think SMV includes the creation of something beautiful as useufl

^

The caveat being if you are not capable of making something that is beautiful, and the intermediate product is not useful, you are making something of no value whatsoever

the process of learning to do so is valuable to the person

even basic fundamentals of composition, colour theory, proportions is extremely useful as there a thousand things which require design

but also to actually appreciate good art you need to have some knowledge of it

Knowledge should never be a fruitless pursuit. If you have nothing to show for an effort, it is wasted.

its not wasted unless you think building up your character and learning to appreciate art is not something to show

Appreciating good art does not necessitate creating bad art

Postmodern art is entirely the result of bad artists understanding the elements of design too well for their own good

>The caveat being if you are not capable of making something that is beautiful, and the intermediate product is not useful, you are making something of no value whatsoever

Your speech is neither beautiful nor useful.

Stop talking, boss.

Git gud

I have to ask what do you define as useful? Because I'd argue beauty is useful by itself insofar that it enriches the place we live in and enhances our moods.

Beauty is useful when it is beautiful. If a "beautiful" object is not beautiful, it's a failure

If you have the ability to make a beautiful object, that is a good thing. If you keep trying to create beautiful objects and failing, you're wasting resources

There's a certain leeway for growth, if you're 18 and a mediocre artist with a steady curve of improvement, it's not wrong to keep practicing as the practice has the utility of driving you towards the ability to create beautiful things. If you're 30, however, and have been drawing the same shitty slop for a decade, the time to stop was a decade ago. People who lack talent should be able to recognize it and leave the art they admire to people able to do it justice, crude facsimile of beautiful art adds nothing to the world. It's just a masturabatory action of unwarranted self-glorification.

shut up boomer

"if youre 30 you shouldnt work out, as you will never be a star athlete"

thats what you sound like

Lol

"When the devil rests then so shall I"
~John Bosco paraphrased

"and have been drawing the same etc etc"

Working out is cumulative, art is not a cumulative skill unless you have an artist's brain already.