@Mozalbete ⳩ that is why we seek Guidance.

Others describe revelations, etc.

So to study the presence of ordained priesthood you also look at many more sources that you have at your disposal

@Iakovos I'm curious: is Christianity based on the Bible, or on the life of Jesus Christ and the community of Believers He started?

Do you expect the gospels to suddenly describe the ordination of christian priests? We can see this ordination in the communities that are described, the presence of authoritative figures, the documents from the first centuries etc

The latter. The bible is just evidence.

If it's the former, how are you any different from a Muslim? If it's the latter, then isn't the Bible just a byproduct of that community? Isn't the most central Authority in Christianity the Church from which the Bible came?

So if we take the same verses you use, we could also conclude that we do not need any church, since we are ourselves "spiritual houses"

We are commanded to sing praises to the Lord, and the early churches met on the first day of the week.

So there is a need for a congregation for worship.

We can do all of those alone

We are commanded to take communion.

I'm just giving you an example how it is pointless to use that verse to pretend that we are all priests, we are all the same, nothing is restricted to us

Yes, but Jesus ordained specific people to lead those congregations, and He gave them specific Spiritual Gifts, including the ability to pass those gifts along through ordination.

In reference to way above, baptism is so essential that even non-Christians can baptized in emergencies

Look st St. Genesius

So now you have to tur not only to the Bible, but to everything ever written by those people in that chain of ordination going back to Christ.

If your pastor is not in that chain, or has broken from it, you have a problem.

I'll think about it and pray for guidance.

I don't think the things we mention are unreasonable

You say elders, are you JW or LDS?

I mean, we are called to be priests, as in performing these spiritual sacrifices, as the priests after Moses took care of the sacrifices

Neither. JW's are heretics.

Church of Christ.

But it is natural and normal to have a hierarchy in the Church

What is LDS?

Mormons

Nope

Later Day Saints

The term "elders" is mentioned several times in the Bible

Mormons and JW's are heretics.

Well, they aren't even christians

Right

I go to a Church of Christ. That is the name of my sect of restorationism.

I'd just never heard of any other groups claiming to be Christian using that phrase commonly

I wonder if protestants still can make an argument that they are saved though because they believe in "jesus's sacrifice"

Elders in our church must be married, and their household/wife/Children must be Christian.

We can see this through Paul's instruction in 2nd timothy.

If you believe Aquinas they could be saved through natural law because of Christ's sacrifice

1 Timothy 3:1-7

**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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Qualifications of Bishops

<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```