Message from @Horatio
Discord ID: 577914126777712650
Look st St. Genesius
So now you have to tur not only to the Bible, but to everything ever written by those people in that chain of ordination going back to Christ.
If your pastor is not in that chain, or has broken from it, you have a problem.
I'll think about it and pray for guidance.
I don't think the things we mention are unreasonable
You say elders, are you JW or LDS?
I mean, we are called to be priests, as in performing these spiritual sacrifices, as the priests after Moses took care of the sacrifices
Neither. JW's are heretics.
Church of Christ.
But it is natural and normal to have a hierarchy in the Church
What is LDS?
Mormons
Nope
Later Day Saints
The term "elders" is mentioned several times in the Bible
Mormons and JW's are heretics.
Well, they aren't even christians
Right
I go to a Church of Christ. That is the name of my sect of restorationism.
I'd just never heard of any other groups claiming to be Christian using that phrase commonly
I wonder if protestants still can make an argument that they are saved though because they believe in "jesus's sacrifice"
Elders in our church must be married, and their household/wife/Children must be Christian.
We can see this through Paul's instruction in 2nd timothy.
If you believe Aquinas they could be saved through natural law because of Christ's sacrifice
1 Timothy 3:1-7
**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops
<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```
Elder fits here, as well as overseer
1 Timothy 3:1-7 NIV
**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New International Version (NIV)**
```Dust
Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons
<1> Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. <2> Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, <3> not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. <5> (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church? ) <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. <7> He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. ```
So it is a requirement for us to be married if we are to be elders
I know Orthodox allow their priests to be married, which is good.
Lmaoing at married priests
1 Timothy 3:1-7
**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops
<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```
Lmaoing at unmarried priests
Especially making a requirement out of something that Paul himself was under virginity
Paul never made that a requirement.
We allow unmarried priests as well.
You really can't compare those who are married to those who dedicate their lives to God
The point is that, once you're ordained, everyone else in the Church is your spiritual child, so dating, marriage, etc. after that is a kind of spiritual incest.
1 Timothy 4:1-4