Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

Discord ID: 577913695238225936


2019-05-14 17:38:11 UTC  

So there is a need for a congregation for worship.

2019-05-14 17:38:26 UTC  

We can do all of those alone

2019-05-14 17:38:44 UTC  

We are commanded to take communion.

2019-05-14 17:38:52 UTC  

I'm just giving you an example how it is pointless to use that verse to pretend that we are all priests, we are all the same, nothing is restricted to us

2019-05-14 17:38:56 UTC  

Yes, but Jesus ordained specific people to lead those congregations, and He gave them specific Spiritual Gifts, including the ability to pass those gifts along through ordination.

2019-05-14 17:38:56 UTC  

In reference to way above, baptism is so essential that even non-Christians can baptized in emergencies

2019-05-14 17:39:07 UTC  

Look st St. Genesius

2019-05-14 17:39:33 UTC  

So now you have to tur not only to the Bible, but to everything ever written by those people in that chain of ordination going back to Christ.

2019-05-14 17:39:52 UTC  

If your pastor is not in that chain, or has broken from it, you have a problem.

2019-05-14 17:40:51 UTC  

I'll think about it and pray for guidance.

2019-05-14 17:41:06 UTC  

I don't think the things we mention are unreasonable

2019-05-14 17:41:37 UTC  

You say elders, are you JW or LDS?

2019-05-14 17:41:59 UTC  

I mean, we are called to be priests, as in performing these spiritual sacrifices, as the priests after Moses took care of the sacrifices

2019-05-14 17:42:06 UTC  

Neither. JW's are heretics.

2019-05-14 17:42:12 UTC  

Church of Christ.

2019-05-14 17:42:16 UTC  

But it is natural and normal to have a hierarchy in the Church

2019-05-14 17:42:17 UTC  

What is LDS?

2019-05-14 17:42:22 UTC  

Mormons

2019-05-14 17:42:25 UTC  

Nope

2019-05-14 17:42:27 UTC  

Later Day Saints

2019-05-14 17:42:42 UTC  

The term "elders" is mentioned several times in the Bible

2019-05-14 17:42:45 UTC  

Mormons and JW's are heretics.

2019-05-14 17:42:57 UTC  

Well, they aren't even christians

2019-05-14 17:43:01 UTC  

Right

2019-05-14 17:43:29 UTC  

I go to a Church of Christ. That is the name of my sect of restorationism.

2019-05-14 17:44:03 UTC  

I'd just never heard of any other groups claiming to be Christian using that phrase commonly

2019-05-14 17:44:24 UTC  

I wonder if protestants still can make an argument that they are saved though because they believe in "jesus's sacrifice"

2019-05-14 17:44:32 UTC  

Elders in our church must be married, and their household/wife/Children must be Christian.

2019-05-14 17:45:14 UTC  

We can see this through Paul's instruction in 2nd timothy.

2019-05-14 17:45:17 UTC  

If you believe Aquinas they could be saved through natural law because of Christ's sacrifice

2019-05-14 17:46:25 UTC  

1 Timothy 3:1-7

2019-05-14 17:46:26 UTC  

**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops

<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```

2019-05-14 17:46:49 UTC  

Elder fits here, as well as overseer

2019-05-14 17:47:00 UTC  

1 Timothy 3:1-7 NIV

2019-05-14 17:47:01 UTC  

**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New International Version (NIV)**

```Dust
Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons

<1> Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. <2> Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, <3> not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. <5> (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church? ) <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. <7> He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. ```

2019-05-14 17:47:53 UTC  

So it is a requirement for us to be married if we are to be elders

2019-05-14 17:48:14 UTC  

I know Orthodox allow their priests to be married, which is good.

2019-05-14 17:48:43 UTC  

Lmaoing at married priests

2019-05-14 17:49:14 UTC  

1 Timothy 3:1-7

2019-05-14 17:49:15 UTC  

**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops

<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```

2019-05-14 17:49:22 UTC  

Lmaoing at unmarried priests