Dominicans tend to do it that way, too.

And by father we refer to a figure here on Earth that guides and teaches us in divine matters

Yeah but there's a difference between our spiritual father and our earthly father. Our spiritual father is God surely.

God the Father and a spiritual father to guide you to God the Father are two different things.

A priest is involved and guides in spiritual manners. Even in spiritual affairs, the word "father" can be used in several ways

Why not just teacher then? Or pastor? Less confusion and abiguity.

More like "more appealing to protestant habits"

Christ also says to call nobody teacher

He also calls himself the good pastor

I don't see any ambiguity. Nobody is going to suddenly want to confess or go to Church because priests are suddenly not refered to as "father" or whatever

Im gonna draw an appeal to tradition card on this one, chief.

Isn't pastor translated from Latin meaning Shepard?

it is

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

**1-е Коринфянам 4:14-16 - Russian Synodal Version (RUSV)**

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<14> Не к постыжению вашему пишу сие, но вразумляю вас, как возлюбленных детей моих. <15> Ибо, хотя у вас тысячи наставников во Христе, но не много отцов; я родил вас во Христе Иисусе благовествованием. <16> Посему умоляю вас: подражайте мне, как я Христу. ```

t-thanks

Ya gonna have to punch that in yourself

Damn squiggle boys

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

You broke it

oops

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

**1 Corinthians 4:14-16 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<14> I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. <15> For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you. <16> Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. ```

2 Thessalonians 2:14

Tradition gang gang

**2 Thessalonians 2:14 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<14> Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ```

Priests have been called Father for far longer than they have been called "Pastor"

Since you don't like protestantism, because of their lack of authority. What gripes do you have with the apostolic faiths? Catholicism and Orthodoxy @orio679

Corruption, abuse and a questionable theology on something's. But for the most part I have alot of respect for Catholics and orthodoxy. My mum is an Orthodox and my dad protestant.

Are you waiting for the Church to be perfect?

No man is perfect, so only logical that no church is without its problems.

@orio679 questionable theology like?

@orio679 Pope Leo XIII talks about apostasy

@orio679 Whatever site your reading online about the fathers and communion doctrine is taking quotes out of context and/or not reading the entire corpus of said authors. An author talking about communion with a spiritual emphasis in one spot does not negate their writing of physical emphasis in another

Long stort short, Tertullian is the only father perhaps where scholars really debate if he had a more Calvinist view of the supper

Calvin cites Augustine for the spiritual view, but most Reformed today recognize that Calvin wasn't taking the entirety of Augustine's corpus when forming communion doctrine

In the spots where you see fathers emphasizing the supernatural or spiritual presence in communion, it is usually in context of refuting a "corporeal" presence and/or in apologetics refuting accusation of cannibalism

That being said, a few different views can be found in the fathers. EO and Lutheran have a nearly identical view known as "mystical union," though the Lutheran view is more scholastic. This view is that it is both body and blood and bread and wine. Transubstantiation rather refers to the RC doctrine that it changes substance to be the body and blood, so bread and wine only appear to remain. There is also the Wesleyan view which is seemingly in between the Reformed Spiritual view and mystical union

The Eastern Orthodox believe in metousiosis, which is change in ousia/substance

Yes, but the bread and wine continue to remain

This is found all throughout the Eastern fathers

I disagree it is not found throughout the Eastern fathers