@Daniil
Isn't our spiritual father God? Not necisarry a priest.

inb4 call no man your father bit

The priest acts on behalf of God, precisely, which is why God gives the Church authority to forgive sins

And why it is basic teaching that it is God that forgives sins

@Daniil Orthodox confession is face-to-face, huh?

Yeah

Huh.

Dominicans tend to do it that way, too.

And by father we refer to a figure here on Earth that guides and teaches us in divine matters

Yeah but there's a difference between our spiritual father and our earthly father. Our spiritual father is God surely.

God the Father and a spiritual father to guide you to God the Father are two different things.

A priest is involved and guides in spiritual manners. Even in spiritual affairs, the word "father" can be used in several ways

Why not just teacher then? Or pastor? Less confusion and abiguity.

More like "more appealing to protestant habits"

Christ also says to call nobody teacher

He also calls himself the good pastor

I don't see any ambiguity. Nobody is going to suddenly want to confess or go to Church because priests are suddenly not refered to as "father" or whatever

Im gonna draw an appeal to tradition card on this one, chief.

Isn't pastor translated from Latin meaning Shepard?

it is

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

**1-е Коринфянам 4:14-16 - Russian Synodal Version (RUSV)**

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<14> Не к постыжению вашему пишу сие, но вразумляю вас, как возлюбленных детей моих. <15> Ибо, хотя у вас тысячи наставников во Христе, но не много отцов; я родил вас во Христе Иисусе благовествованием. <16> Посему умоляю вас: подражайте мне, как я Христу. ```

t-thanks

Ya gonna have to punch that in yourself

Damn squiggle boys

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

You broke it

oops

1 Corinthians 4:14-16

**1 Corinthians 4:14-16 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<14> I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. <15> For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you. <16> Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. ```

2 Thessalonians 2:14

Tradition gang gang

**2 Thessalonians 2:14 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<14> Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ```

Priests have been called Father for far longer than they have been called "Pastor"

Since you don't like protestantism, because of their lack of authority. What gripes do you have with the apostolic faiths? Catholicism and Orthodoxy @orio679

Corruption, abuse and a questionable theology on something's. But for the most part I have alot of respect for Catholics and orthodoxy. My mum is an Orthodox and my dad protestant.

Are you waiting for the Church to be perfect?

No man is perfect, so only logical that no church is without its problems.

@orio679 questionable theology like?

@orio679 Pope Leo XIII talks about apostasy

@orio679 Whatever site your reading online about the fathers and communion doctrine is taking quotes out of context and/or not reading the entire corpus of said authors. An author talking about communion with a spiritual emphasis in one spot does not negate their writing of physical emphasis in another

Long stort short, Tertullian is the only father perhaps where scholars really debate if he had a more Calvinist view of the supper