That's what you are saying?

Right, and this thing can't be "scientifically proven" because it can't be measured with material tools

well, we cannot perceive many things that exists in the "physical" world

there are things that can only be perceived with some extra tool and others that are (for now) out of reach

All things that are imperceptible of the material are still in relation to the material. My thoughts, for example, are a product of my brain. My consciousness and my soul are immaterial aspects, though

then, how do you know you have a soul?

You may one day be able to read my mind but you will never prove how gracious or sinister my soul is

It's an immaterial concept

yeah, but how do you know that the soul exists?

The same way you know God exists

I can't exist in the material without it

@Enryse so can we as human beings know things which we cannot prove scientifical? If yes, then metaphysics is a useful field of philosophy.

The question of the existence of God is a metaphysical question, of course

The Greek philosophers pondered these same questions long before any influence from the Abrahamic religion

but, i don't see why you wouldn't exits without god, if god wasn't created, what makes you thing that the first living creature was?

Because creature means something that is created

And how could you know something you cannot perceive? (I mean, yes, someone could tell you, and you could believe by faith, but that can apply to everything)

ok what about "living beings"?

Because not all knowledge comes from the senses

Yes, the Greek's pondered the same question, and many conclude that they cannot know

I know, math and logic comes for default

And the self existence knowledge

Right, and thus our epistemology is not dependent on our perceptions alone

yeah, but how does god is part of that default knowledge?

following the previous argument...

If there can be an unmoved mover, there is no reason to thing there cannot be others

Not by itself, no

Also, infinity its impossible to know, because we could never know if something that appears infinite is actually infinite

But we know that numbers are infinite

Well, logic and maths in general are infinite, the abstract world is infinite, so we know that the infinite is logically provable, just as a god is logically provable

I wouldn't say it's all default knowledge. A child might understand 2+2 = 4 but pi is a complete mystery to them. The point being that they need to grow and expand their knowledge and understanding of mathematics.

yeah, but they could find pi with just rezoning

Right, but it isn't innate

empirical science comes from studying the world around us, formal science comes from pure reasoning

you don't born with the tools to know history or physics, but you born with the tools to know maths

let a human in a room isolated from the world and the only science he could develop to the maximum state are formal science

And metaphysics is a formal science like mathematics

Ah, le logical empiricism

May I ask what works of the Vienna circle have you read?

The question of the existence of God is a metaphysical one because there is not necessarily any empirical proof

but metaphysics, from what i know, are not axioms like maths and logic, there are different beliefs towards metaphysics, but not with maths and logic