Message from @Green Syndicalism
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because you dont have any
then we call that tyranny
the rights prexisted the state
call it what you want, you dont have rights in that circumstance
which is *a systemic, institutionalized violation of your natural rights*
you numbskull
lmao
can we point to 'natural rights'?
just because its not an outright legal right, doesn't mean that the those rights just evaporate, might as well go back to cavemen days if that is the case
if the state violates them, then it is your solemn duty to seek regress or dissolve the state
if you want to get into natural rights, you're turning into a fairy
what are rights if not enforced?
^
things you say when upset?
legal rights are the only thing that matters in the real world
You two are essentially arguing that because it is possible to make a mathematical error, that numbers don't exist.
make me associate with the black mans <:cryingpepe:605622311638269962>
natural rights are a nice fairytale
the left calls us authoritarians at the same time they beg for more government, and make the state so powerful that it's whim is the whole of their right to exist
/facepalm
you just misunderstand what rights are
natural rights are the reason you and I aren't worried about a gulag right now
no they arent
legal rights are the reason for that
without the concept of natural rights, our legal rights would be far, far different
legal rights which are formalized recognitions *of natural rights*
didn't save those in the gulag
ie they dont matter until they become legal rights
*recognition*
exactly
the state does not create rights, it recognizes them
*until they become a legal right*
ok I recognise our right to no be discriminated against based on immutable characteristics or traits?
you can create whatever right you want dude, doesnt mean it exists in reality
what exists is that which the state protects
meaning that such rights must by necessity preexist the state
This is such a circular argument lol.
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it doesnt matter if they exist in the abstract thinking of some moron's mind, what matters for you and me in reality is whether the state protects them. until they become a legal right, *they may as well not even exist for real-world circumstances*
i could sit here and say i have the right to kill your whole family. does this right matter to anyone?