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the left calls us authoritarians at the same time they beg for more government, and make the state so powerful that it's whim is the whole of their right to exist
/facepalm
no one is begging for anything here
you just misunderstand what rights are
natural rights are the reason you and I aren't worried about a gulag right now
no they arent
legal rights are the reason for that
without the concept of natural rights, our legal rights would be far, far different
legal rights which are formalized recognitions *of natural rights*
didn't save those in the gulag
ie they dont matter until they become legal rights
*recognition*
exactly
the state does not create rights, it recognizes them
*until they become a legal right*
ok I recognise our right to no be discriminated against based on immutable characteristics or traits?
you can create whatever right you want dude, doesnt mean it exists in reality
what exists is that which the state protects
meaning that such rights must by necessity preexist the state
This is such a circular argument lol.
it doesnt matter if they exist in the abstract thinking of some moron's mind, what matters for you and me in reality is whether the state protects them. until they become a legal right, *they may as well not even exist for real-world circumstances*
i could sit here and say i have the right to kill your whole family. does this right matter to anyone?
ofc it doesnt
but they do matter, natural rights do make their way into law in some form, otherwise people get pissed, and start to ignore the law
if that is truly what you believe then you have no right to demand *anything* from the state
yes i do
i have legal rights
to ask
He doesn't believe in rights, he believes only in power Spader
whatever the powers enforce is what goes
as I said
Then may you never have power
but natural rights spread out amongst the people do have a power of their own, you can't expect to rule an unruly people, that are constantly rebelling and not listening to the powers that be
to go back to the issue of anti-discrimination laws, I will personally own my opinion that it was wrong to create a legal protection from discrimination *in association or commerce* for protected classes
agreed
so back to segregation?
in some states
'states rights'
#toxic
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