if you don't believe rights are inherent then the word tyranny might as well not even exist

*...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights...*

THE

STATE

@Green Syndicalism You realize that you are making the very case for the 2nd Amendment?

IS

if the state does something that is *counter to the rights they legalistically bestowed upon you*, then yes, your rights can be violated.

NOT

GOD

yeah I don't think he does @yuma_8

but if the state removes your legal rights

you cant have them violated any further

because you dont have any

then we call that tyranny

the rights prexisted the state

call it what you want, you dont have rights in that circumstance

which is *a systemic, institutionalized violation of your natural rights*

you numbskull

lmao

can we point to 'natural rights'?

just because its not an outright legal right, doesn't mean that the those rights just evaporate, might as well go back to cavemen days if that is the case

if the state violates them, then it is your solemn duty to seek regress or dissolve the state

if you want to get into natural rights, you're turning into a fairy

what are rights if not enforced?

^

things you say when upset?

legal rights are the only thing that matters in the real world

You two are essentially arguing that because it is possible to make a mathematical error, that numbers don't exist.

make me associate with the black mans <:cryingpepe:605622311638269962>

natural rights are a nice fairytale

the left calls us authoritarians at the same time they beg for more government, and make the state so powerful that it's whim is the whole of their right to exist

/facepalm

no one is begging for anything here

you just misunderstand what rights are

natural rights are the reason you and I aren't worried about a gulag right now

no they arent

legal rights are the reason for that

without the concept of natural rights, our legal rights would be far, far different

legal rights which are formalized recognitions *of natural rights*

didn't save those in the gulag

ie they dont matter until they become legal rights