make me associate with the black mans <:cryingpepe:605622311638269962>

natural rights are a nice fairytale

the left calls us authoritarians at the same time they beg for more government, and make the state so powerful that it's whim is the whole of their right to exist

/facepalm

no one is begging for anything here

you just misunderstand what rights are

natural rights are the reason you and I aren't worried about a gulag right now

no they arent

legal rights are the reason for that

without the concept of natural rights, our legal rights would be far, far different

legal rights which are formalized recognitions *of natural rights*

didn't save those in the gulag

ie they dont matter until they become legal rights

*recognition*

exactly

the state does not create rights, it recognizes them

*until they become a legal right*

ok I recognise our right to no be discriminated against based on immutable characteristics or traits?

you can create whatever right you want dude, doesnt mean it exists in reality

what exists is that which the state protects

meaning that such rights must by necessity preexist the state

This is such a circular argument lol.

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it doesnt matter if they exist in the abstract thinking of some moron's mind, what matters for you and me in reality is whether the state protects them. until they become a legal right, *they may as well not even exist for real-world circumstances*

i could sit here and say i have the right to kill your whole family. does this right matter to anyone?

ofc it doesnt

but they do matter, natural rights do make their way into law in some form, otherwise people get pissed, and start to ignore the law

if that is truly what you believe then you have no right to demand *anything* from the state

yes i do

i have legal rights

to ask

He doesn't believe in rights, he believes only in power Spader

whatever the powers enforce is what goes

as I said

Then may you never have power

but natural rights spread out amongst the people do have a power of their own, you can't expect to rule an unruly people, that are constantly rebelling and not listening to the powers that be

to go back to the issue of anti-discrimination laws, I will personally own my opinion that it was wrong to create a legal protection from discrimination *in association or commerce* for protected classes

agreed

so back to segregation?

in some states

'states rights'