Message from @Mongo Jongo

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2018-10-03 17:22:06 UTC  

Potholer?

2018-10-03 17:23:32 UTC  

Potholer is that guy who studies Climate change.

2018-10-03 17:23:43 UTC  

He had a debate scheduled with Crowder that Crowder backed out on.

2018-10-03 17:24:01 UTC  

It's the reason why for a long time I couldn't watch Steven on anything.

2018-10-03 17:24:54 UTC  

I can find the video

2018-10-03 17:25:45 UTC  

Oh. That issue. That’s my one beef with Steven. He does at least deny that climate change is an issue worth addressing.

2018-10-03 17:25:49 UTC  

Did he give a reason for backing out?

2018-10-03 17:26:13 UTC  

He can’t prove it wrong, so he probably backed out for that reason.

2018-10-03 17:26:45 UTC  

Not gay Jared just lied and said that Potholer backed out. But the E-mails with certificate says otherwise.

2018-10-03 17:27:01 UTC  

So no reason then

2018-10-03 17:27:08 UTC  

Pretty much.

2018-10-03 17:27:25 UTC  

The only way I'm able to let that go is by acknowledging that Crowder is first and foremost a comedian.

2018-10-03 17:27:37 UTC  

He's wrong on some serious issues, but if you go for the comedy it's not so bad.

2018-10-03 17:27:44 UTC  

Agreed

2018-10-03 17:27:57 UTC  
2018-10-03 17:28:50 UTC  

@Mongo Jongo What else do you disagree with him on?

2018-10-03 17:29:20 UTC  

He has some really bad understanding of colonial era native Americans.

2018-10-03 17:29:27 UTC  

Ryan Dawson did a breakdown on that one.

2018-10-03 17:30:30 UTC  

But then he's also pretty pro Israel on everything, but he moves the goalpost by saying, "Well, it's better than caliphate Islam." Yeah, sticking your dick in the blender is better than Caliphate Islam. Doesn't mean you get a free pass.

2018-10-03 17:32:11 UTC  

And "Change my mind" is a misnomer. He has no intention of changing his mind. The whole point is to bait people into arguing on camera. Which is fine. But "Change my mind" intimates that he'd be open to changing his mind. Which, let's be real, he's not.
I did the same thing back in 2012, and looking back, it's just not a measure of good faith.

2018-10-03 17:32:21 UTC  

But other than that, I agree with him on most things.

2018-10-03 17:33:36 UTC  

I think he's open to change his mind but he picks topics that he's so dead set on it's very hard

2018-10-03 17:34:43 UTC  

Yeah, that's a good point.

2018-10-03 17:34:43 UTC  

Ok. I’ve forgotten a lot of that part of American history. I need to touch up on it. I personally still don’t exactly know what to think about Israel and Palestine.

2018-10-03 17:35:58 UTC  

I think he could be convinced on climate change, but only when it’s pretty obvious that fossil fuels are on their way out. It’s still hard to imagine things running without some for of fossil fuel.

2018-10-03 17:37:02 UTC  

Well that and it's hard to realistically imagine everything running green

2018-10-03 17:37:14 UTC  

Considering the current cost of green energy

2018-10-03 17:38:33 UTC  

Well, wind and solar have gotten pretty cheap. It’s just hard to see not only the entire electric grid without fossil fuels but also transportation and industry.

2018-10-03 17:39:00 UTC  

In the next couple of years I plan on getting an electric vehicle.

2018-10-03 17:39:20 UTC  

It may have gotten cheap but not cheap enough to replace the entire backbone of every first world country

2018-10-03 17:39:58 UTC  

Remember not only do you neeed to be cheaper than fossil fuels, but so cheap they will tear down their old grid and use yours instead

2018-10-03 17:40:44 UTC  

Green Energy is still pretty far off, in that it needs to become cheap to manufacture to get poor countries on board with it. And it needs to produce way more power to meet our needs. Although other energy alternatives are in the works.

2018-10-03 17:41:09 UTC  

Fusion and nuclear come to mind

2018-10-03 17:41:23 UTC  

Hey y'all! Have you ever heard any of Tony Seba's talks on EV's, solar and batteries.? Pretty interesting stuff.

2018-10-03 17:41:35 UTC  

Its hard to tell, but the analysts that I have seen imply that wind and solar are some of the cheapest sources and they are getting cheaper. I do think that nuclear will still need to be used too.

2018-10-03 17:42:04 UTC  

Really? Just the energy though

2018-10-03 17:42:15 UTC  

What about batteries

2018-10-03 17:42:21 UTC  

My problem with the climate change shit is that it's allowed people to completely ignore other issues with pollution

2018-10-03 17:42:29 UTC  

I believe batteries are still lagging behind

2018-10-03 17:42:31 UTC  

Outside of like, the occasional oil spill

2018-10-03 17:43:18 UTC  

Yeah. The levelized cost of energy, or LCOE, of wind and solar are fairly cheap. Natural gas is about the same. That’s why so much coal has been shut down.