@Mongo Jongo What else do you disagree with him on?

He has some really bad understanding of colonial era native Americans.

Ryan Dawson did a breakdown on that one.

But then he's also pretty pro Israel on everything, but he moves the goalpost by saying, "Well, it's better than caliphate Islam." Yeah, sticking your dick in the blender is better than Caliphate Islam. Doesn't mean you get a free pass.

And "Change my mind" is a misnomer. He has no intention of changing his mind. The whole point is to bait people into arguing on camera. Which is fine. But "Change my mind" intimates that he'd be open to changing his mind. Which, let's be real, he's not.
I did the same thing back in 2012, and looking back, it's just not a measure of good faith.

But other than that, I agree with him on most things.

I think he's open to change his mind but he picks topics that he's so dead set on it's very hard

Yeah, that's a good point.

Ok. I’ve forgotten a lot of that part of American history. I need to touch up on it. I personally still don’t exactly know what to think about Israel and Palestine.

I think he could be convinced on climate change, but only when it’s pretty obvious that fossil fuels are on their way out. It’s still hard to imagine things running without some for of fossil fuel.

Well that and it's hard to realistically imagine everything running green

Considering the current cost of green energy

Well, wind and solar have gotten pretty cheap. It’s just hard to see not only the entire electric grid without fossil fuels but also transportation and industry.

In the next couple of years I plan on getting an electric vehicle.

It may have gotten cheap but not cheap enough to replace the entire backbone of every first world country

Remember not only do you neeed to be cheaper than fossil fuels, but so cheap they will tear down their old grid and use yours instead

Green Energy is still pretty far off, in that it needs to become cheap to manufacture to get poor countries on board with it. And it needs to produce way more power to meet our needs. Although other energy alternatives are in the works.

Fusion and nuclear come to mind

Hey y'all! Have you ever heard any of Tony Seba's talks on EV's, solar and batteries.? Pretty interesting stuff.

Its hard to tell, but the analysts that I have seen imply that wind and solar are some of the cheapest sources and they are getting cheaper. I do think that nuclear will still need to be used too.

Really? Just the energy though

What about batteries

My problem with the climate change shit is that it's allowed people to completely ignore other issues with pollution

I believe batteries are still lagging behind

Outside of like, the occasional oil spill

Yeah. The levelized cost of energy, or LCOE, of wind and solar are fairly cheap. Natural gas is about the same. That’s why so much coal has been shut down.

And then also place ridiculous importance on shit that has nothing to do with any of the stuff they're talking about, or runs counter to their goals

@Clay tony seba? Who’s that?

https://youtu.be/KVm74yE0aUE

Stanford Uni, I think.

@Beemann have you looked at the sierra clubs beyond coal campaign?

Realistically, we are about 3-5 years off electric cars going completely mainstream.

I drive one.

What model?

used volt, would like a Tesla, but I need a house more.

Yeah. Tesla’s are too expensive. I’d be willing to drive a bolt or something similar, even though I don’t like the look that much. I just can’t afford a new car right now. I want to though.

I'm sorry but I'm going to be one of those assholes who never gets a green car

I like my vroom vroom

And eeee eee doesn't cut it

@Holo lol. That’s fine. Do you own a truck? Right now, there aren’t any good ev trucks.

Nah