Message from @johnnyConrad
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I'm not a cop, I want to go into it, probable cause has been deemed constitutional by the United States supreme Court in several cases, it's kind like how people think a cop can't ask you to get in or out of a vehicle but due to the Pennsylvania VS Mims ruling an officer can ask someone to get in or out of the vehicle
If you've ever been to prison or worked in one you'd see fuck shit
I disagree...the 4th is very clear...probable cause AND specific warrant naming people, places, and things subject to search and seizure...a court just ruled the gun ban for tomorrow in VA was good? So is it right?
Slavery was legal...segregation was legal...killing Jews was legal...
Which court
And yeah, it was, no longer is
Post proof in current events
Not sure what level court, but it was brought up probably in circuit or appeals court...next level after said they didn't have enough info to rule on it and let it stand
Yoda seems to like the taste of leather to me....
Also I believe rulings pertaining to federal law (the Constitution) should only be ruled on by federal courts, state courts have no business in federal law
This was VA supreme court...posting article in current events
I believe they should all stay the hell out of it
woah woah let's cool it
I'll give it a read, but that court is probably stacked with the governor's scumbag donors
Right, so if this court can be on the wrong side, what's to say the supreme court isn't on ruling about probable cause...the bill of rights spells it out very plain...
The only ruling needed regarding the constitution was done the day it was signed...all else beyond that is an infringement
I might argue 13 was pretty good
and the bill of rights
The Constitution is vauge and dated, we need people with a firm understanding of the law to interpret it so our rights are not infringed by the government or by those the law is supposed to protect us from
That makes sense...but the constitution is no there to guarantee or protect our rights...it is there as a dire warning to any participants in government that would trample our rights...as has been the case for a long time
It was made vague in places on purpose...to limit specifics against the individual...it is not dated at all though...
The law doesnt protect anyone...it convicts people after the fact
Language is dated, over time interpretation of specific words and phrases change
Right...interpretation...it is not meant for interpretation, that gives party to bias and leads to what we have presently
It is meant to restrict government...and the gubment has been long unrestricted
I hope you choose another career friend...
Im choosing this career because I want to protect others from those who wish them harm. I don't give a fuck if people hate me for it.
Ok fair enough and I know several that feel the same way...you already admitted you agreed the 4th doesn't stand and a cop can arbitrarily violate someone's person or privacy based on a supreme court ruling...so riddle me this...
mate I am just throwing this out there
Why is the safety of a cop paramount to a citizen's? Why does the cop get to point his gun at me for his safety, but vise versa and I'm a criminal?
maybe this could alienate a potential ally and drive schisms in a potentially unified front and therefore might not be the greatest idea ever?
What's not? 🤔 having a little debate on the debate channel?
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
a kinda targeted one at a single user?
No no...I was debating his opinions with mine...it wasn't to target.
I mean you kinda out of nowhere @'d him
Because police are charged with protecting the general public. Unless the cops are rounding up citizens or attempting to take your weapons there is no reason.
4 hours after his comment
If I was a cop and I'm not doing fedboi shit and you pointed a gun at me, you bet your ass I'd dust you.
Yeah he said he wouldn't enforce a law that breaks another because he respects the constitution...so I brought a regular part of procedure for all LE...violating the 4th
Actually the supreme court ruled no LE is obligated to protect anyone