Message from @Geamr

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2018-07-29 14:34:45 UTC  

but yes many things are already going to create huge problems

2018-07-29 14:35:11 UTC  

that's exactly why it will be hard to free the slaves, they didn't even know they were in chains

2018-07-29 14:36:01 UTC  

and then you ask them to give up some of their wealth and comfort to other people?
how would you deal with the inevetable counter-revolutions?

2018-07-29 14:36:31 UTC  

Would it be considered a revolution if it's against the interests of the majority?

2018-07-29 14:36:39 UTC  

Then it's more like a coup

2018-07-29 14:36:44 UTC  

Or a revolt

2018-07-29 14:36:49 UTC  

If you try to impose the old system again, or create a new autocracy

2018-07-29 14:36:59 UTC  

something like that would be a counter-revolution

2018-07-29 14:38:05 UTC  

@Deleted User Read rosa luxemburgs reform or revolution

2018-07-29 14:38:15 UTC  

this was exactly the issue they were discussing in the e̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶i̶m̶a̶r̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ 1899

2018-07-29 14:38:22 UTC  

and she gave a fantastic retort to that kind of thinking

2018-07-29 14:38:31 UTC  

~~Do I smell Bordiga?~~

2018-07-29 14:41:29 UTC  

Her analysis is eerily applicable today i found

2018-07-29 14:41:42 UTC  

many of the things she writes about you can see first hand happening today

2018-07-29 14:42:35 UTC  

what does that have to do with anything @PugSlugger

2018-07-29 14:43:12 UTC  

if you think that then i find that kinda sad tbh

2018-07-29 14:43:29 UTC  

or you're just trolling, allright then

2018-07-29 14:45:01 UTC  

or we just dont care to engage with arguments that have no substance and would require you to have actual knowledge of marx and the argument you are attacking

2018-07-29 14:45:39 UTC  

I read the whole thing

2018-07-29 14:45:45 UTC  

it has nothing to do with money

2018-07-29 14:45:55 UTC  

the market economy is the exploitative part

2018-07-29 14:46:05 UTC  

not the paying the worker less than he makes

2018-07-29 14:46:54 UTC  

you don't have to force people to pay anything for the goods you create

2018-07-29 14:47:12 UTC  

if you don't rely on exchange to acquire your neccesities

2018-07-29 14:47:18 UTC  

only in a market economy friend

2018-07-29 14:47:23 UTC  

it's not the only way things can be

2018-07-29 14:48:20 UTC  

A market economy is a system whereby you exchange your labor power for money which allows you to purchase your necessities in a free market

2018-07-29 14:48:36 UTC  

but the only free thing about the market is who you buy from, you are not free to NOT use the market

2018-07-29 14:48:55 UTC  

maybe if everyone calls your posts bait then it's time to reconsider your life choices

2018-07-29 14:49:08 UTC  

yeet

2018-07-29 14:49:59 UTC  

"stupid commies stop calling everything I post bait"
"maybe you should think about why they call it bait"
"FUCK OFF NIGGER"

2018-07-29 14:50:03 UTC  

Capitalism evolved around the early enlightenment period i believe as cities became more important trade and financial centers and a class of wealthy and influential merchants and investors emerged and more and more working people migrated to the cities.

2018-07-29 14:50:05 UTC  

truly intellectual

2018-07-29 14:50:35 UTC  

Then what is your answer

2018-07-29 14:50:44 UTC  

enlighten us, oh big-brain man

2018-07-29 14:51:00 UTC  

nonsense

2018-07-29 14:51:07 UTC  

mesopotamia was a planned economy

2018-07-29 14:51:14 UTC  

everything was set by the ruling class

2018-07-29 14:51:21 UTC  

oh is this that libertarian "capitalism is when you are free and shit" bullshit?

2018-07-29 14:51:21 UTC  

how much wheat you grow and how many shoes you make

2018-07-29 14:51:31 UTC  

was administrated by a bureaucracy