if you are dead hapiness sadness don't exist

Exactly

So there is no egotistical point of killing yourself for others

for an egoist probably not

people that don't recognise themselves as egoists yes

because they are following a lie

but even egoists would kill themselves

depression,...

it all comes down to you

or in reality they know their loved ones lives could be better

because theyre not dead

IF an egoist were to perform an altruistic action that would be immoral no?

no

why

egoists don't believe in morality

because altruism doesnt exist according to egoists

it would be out of accordance with their moral framework

normative ethics?

we dont have to use moral and immoral if you dont want to

well egoists can't even preform an altruisit action in the first place

Why is that

@Mr. X so everyone is an egoist in their eyes?

altruism doesn't exist

yes

Yeah

there are involuntary and volountary egoists

being involountary isnt immoral

it's just annoying lol

egoists might call you spooked

if you do it

but yeah

I don't see how they could hold that position. If someone sacrifices themselves in order to for example feed their children to which they die of starvation

I know for sure that selfishness is a good driving force for humanity though

That wouldn't be an altruistic action to the.?

Them*

that was my questione essentially

they sacrifice for the the children because they care for them

and they care from egoistic reasons

volountary egoist might not sacrefice

involountary will because he will hold it higher than himself

Regardless of the reason or intent, they perform an action directly for someone else's interests in sacrifice of their own