they're able to live without them but dont want them dying

what then

because they view their loved ones higher than them

of value

yes

but

deep down

all it is is your loved ones making you happy

so losing them is hard

involountary egoists view them as higher

that's what egoism is about

not seeing anything higher than yourself

because only then are you free

it makes you happy but you wont be happy if you're dead

if they are dead you won't be

if you are dead hapiness sadness don't exist

Exactly

So there is no egotistical point of killing yourself for others

for an egoist probably not

people that don't recognise themselves as egoists yes

because they are following a lie

but even egoists would kill themselves

depression,...

it all comes down to you

or in reality they know their loved ones lives could be better

because theyre not dead

IF an egoist were to perform an altruistic action that would be immoral no?

no

why

egoists don't believe in morality

because altruism doesnt exist according to egoists

it would be out of accordance with their moral framework

normative ethics?

we dont have to use moral and immoral if you dont want to

well egoists can't even preform an altruisit action in the first place

Why is that

@Mr. X so everyone is an egoist in their eyes?

altruism doesn't exist

yes

Yeah

there are involuntary and volountary egoists