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2018-08-23 12:29:03 UTC  

normative ethics?

2018-08-23 12:29:26 UTC  

we dont have to use moral and immoral if you dont want to

2018-08-23 12:29:33 UTC  

well egoists can't even preform an altruisit action in the first place

2018-08-23 12:29:40 UTC  

Why is that

2018-08-23 12:29:53 UTC  

@Mr. X so everyone is an egoist in their eyes?

2018-08-23 12:29:53 UTC  

altruism doesn't exist

2018-08-23 12:29:56 UTC  

yes

2018-08-23 12:30:11 UTC  

Yeah

2018-08-23 12:30:11 UTC  

there are involuntary and volountary egoists

2018-08-23 12:30:17 UTC  

being involountary isnt immoral

2018-08-23 12:30:22 UTC  

it's just annoying lol

2018-08-23 12:30:33 UTC  

egoists might call you spooked

2018-08-23 12:30:37 UTC  

if you do it

2018-08-23 12:30:43 UTC  

but yeah

2018-08-23 12:30:57 UTC  

I don't see how they could hold that position. If someone sacrifices themselves in order to for example feed their children to which they die of starvation

2018-08-23 12:31:03 UTC  

I know for sure that selfishness is a good driving force for humanity though

2018-08-23 12:31:07 UTC  

That wouldn't be an altruistic action to the.?

2018-08-23 12:31:09 UTC  

Them*

2018-08-23 12:31:21 UTC  

that was my questione essentially

2018-08-23 12:31:36 UTC  

they sacrifice for the the children because they care for them

2018-08-23 12:31:44 UTC  

and they care from egoistic reasons

2018-08-23 12:32:01 UTC  

volountary egoist might not sacrefice

2018-08-23 12:32:17 UTC  

involountary will because he will hold it higher than himself

2018-08-23 12:32:18 UTC  

Regardless of the reason or intent, they perform an action directly for someone else's interests in sacrifice of their own

2018-08-23 12:32:37 UTC  

you can call the direct action altruisitc

2018-08-23 12:32:48 UTC  

I mean the action in on itself

2018-08-23 12:32:56 UTC  

but you prefored it from egoists reasons

2018-08-23 12:33:01 UTC  

so it's egoistc

2018-08-23 12:33:08 UTC  

we only assume it's altruistic

2018-08-23 12:33:27 UTC  

Seems arbitrary then if even altruistic actions can be considered egoistic

2018-08-23 12:33:39 UTC  

for example

2018-08-23 12:33:43 UTC  

giving money to charity

2018-08-23 12:33:53 UTC  

me giving it is altruistic you could say

2018-08-23 12:34:03 UTC  

but I'm only giving to make myself feel good about myself

2018-08-23 12:34:09 UTC  

which is an egoistic reason

2018-08-23 12:34:15 UTC  

and cannot be altruistic

2018-08-23 12:34:23 UTC  

no one can act from altruism

2018-08-23 12:36:57 UTC  

If someone sacrifices their life for someone else what gain would someone get from doing that

2018-08-23 12:38:16 UTC  

oof

2018-08-23 12:38:43 UTC  

has this conversation been going on for 2 hours

2018-08-23 12:38:56 UTC  

Are there any owners or moderators I can speak to about partnering with the server