normative ethics?

we dont have to use moral and immoral if you dont want to

well egoists can't even preform an altruisit action in the first place

Why is that

@Mr. X so everyone is an egoist in their eyes?

altruism doesn't exist

yes

Yeah

there are involuntary and volountary egoists

being involountary isnt immoral

it's just annoying lol

egoists might call you spooked

if you do it

but yeah

I don't see how they could hold that position. If someone sacrifices themselves in order to for example feed their children to which they die of starvation

I know for sure that selfishness is a good driving force for humanity though

That wouldn't be an altruistic action to the.?

Them*

that was my questione essentially

they sacrifice for the the children because they care for them

and they care from egoistic reasons

volountary egoist might not sacrefice

involountary will because he will hold it higher than himself

Regardless of the reason or intent, they perform an action directly for someone else's interests in sacrifice of their own

you can call the direct action altruisitc

I mean the action in on itself

but you prefored it from egoists reasons

so it's egoistc

we only assume it's altruistic

Seems arbitrary then if even altruistic actions can be considered egoistic

for example

giving money to charity

me giving it is altruistic you could say

but I'm only giving to make myself feel good about myself

which is an egoistic reason

and cannot be altruistic

no one can act from altruism

If someone sacrifices their life for someone else what gain would someone get from doing that

oof

has this conversation been going on for 2 hours

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