I'm a Baudrillardian but no one says that. People think of it as postmodernism but what's beyond concepts (the ineffable) is really important to me so it makes it hard to say.

But I definitely want a social revolution, something like global governance even if its not a state, no war, everyone has enough, and we just shit post and travel the stars

lmao

Do you have brief explanation on what Baudrillardian tenets they stand on?

Well different people might emphasize different things

basically he picks up on Bataille and Mauss ideas about giving gifts as the basis for economics

Ah

we are wanting to give the best gift because it shows we are powerful, so similar to Foucault's biopolitics the powerful are so because they "give us" our captive lives here

And so he criticized Marx for thinking the economic is at the bottom of everything, although then Marxists will say Baudrillard misunderstood how Marx meant that

Economics the bottom of everything?

my angle isn't that I need to prove Marx is wrong or anything Baudrillard is just what got me to where I am now *shrugs*

Giving gifts? Essentially more welfare and care for the citizens?

Like less proletarian oriented.

haha long before welfare

But go on for a more pragmatic approach?

Enlighten me

well for example people get together and form social relationships, eventually there's a new generation and you are leaving things to them

Uphold Keynsianism-Baudrillardianism

this is beyond economics becuase there must be some reason you align your interest with your children even though you will die

What if i dont have children

Well then you are still locked in a gift relationship because your parents gave you life and their ancestors to them and so on

Eh, maybe until we start collectivizing test tube babies

But go on

But then I guess society would have given life

What if your offspring happens to be a nuisance than entrusting them the gifts?

^

Or how does one cultivate this new generation?

Any specific intervention?

One interesting thing is his analysis of terrorism like 9/11, he points out that more than just killing us they want to humiliate us

who is they

so this is like a social relation, not just an extermination idea. so I think it's about cultivating a mentality in people where they want to engage with the larger society and not just murder people or just accumulate

terrorists, like al qaeda and stuff

they didn't just want to kill people, they wanted to inflict a "symbolic wound"

in the gift economy, the challenge is always to find a better gift to give back

That's the presumption the Western Liberal media would like us to believe, but okay

oh ok you're referring to inside job theories?

I'd say the terrorists were moreso acting out of raw opportunism

oh ok

I don't see Islam being the primary driving factor

I agree

I see it as a smaller one