Message from @nagarjuna

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2018-09-12 14:46:40 UTC  

for example Althusser

2018-09-12 14:46:44 UTC  

and Lenin yeah

2018-09-12 14:46:54 UTC  

some people are like anything before the german ideology, no thank you

2018-09-12 14:47:03 UTC  

lol

2018-09-12 14:47:23 UTC  

I'm just not that well read so it's hard for me to know what's going on

2018-09-12 14:47:28 UTC  

Same.

2018-09-12 14:47:35 UTC  

I guess I'll have to dig deeper than this shit.

2018-09-12 14:47:37 UTC  

hahahaha the blind leading the blind here

2018-09-12 14:47:53 UTC  

Well, I try to look up marxist videos

2018-09-12 14:47:59 UTC  

trying to get the contexts

2018-09-12 14:48:00 UTC  

and what not

2018-09-12 14:48:31 UTC  

oh yeah for sure. audiobooks are sick also. i actually speak german i could read marx in german

2018-09-12 14:48:37 UTC  

das nice

2018-09-12 14:48:38 UTC  

tried the audiobook it went ok

2018-09-12 14:48:51 UTC  

lambo DAS nice

2018-09-12 14:49:25 UTC  

what's your strand of marxism/politics? we don't have flairs here I'm sad

2018-09-12 14:50:14 UTC  

I'm probably a regular ML

2018-09-12 14:50:19 UTC  

But Maoism has concepts that are interesting

2018-09-12 14:50:26 UTC  

I should dig deeper in that realm

2018-09-12 14:51:00 UTC  

What about you?

2018-09-12 14:51:52 UTC  

I'm a Baudrillardian but no one says that. People think of it as postmodernism but what's beyond concepts (the ineffable) is really important to me so it makes it hard to say.

2018-09-12 14:52:36 UTC  

But I definitely want a social revolution, something like global governance even if its not a state, no war, everyone has enough, and we just shit post and travel the stars

2018-09-12 14:52:51 UTC  

lmao

2018-09-12 14:53:04 UTC  

Do you have brief explanation on what Baudrillardian tenets they stand on?

2018-09-12 14:53:16 UTC  

Well different people might emphasize different things

2018-09-12 14:53:42 UTC  

basically he picks up on Bataille and Mauss ideas about giving gifts as the basis for economics

2018-09-12 14:54:19 UTC  

Ah

2018-09-12 14:54:20 UTC  

we are wanting to give the best gift because it shows we are powerful, so similar to Foucault's biopolitics the powerful are so because they "give us" our captive lives here

2018-09-12 14:54:48 UTC  

And so he criticized Marx for thinking the economic is at the bottom of everything, although then Marxists will say Baudrillard misunderstood how Marx meant that

2018-09-12 14:55:24 UTC  

Economics the bottom of everything?

2018-09-12 14:55:25 UTC  

my angle isn't that I need to prove Marx is wrong or anything Baudrillard is just what got me to where I am now *shrugs*

2018-09-12 14:55:28 UTC  

Giving gifts? Essentially more welfare and care for the citizens?

2018-09-12 14:55:37 UTC  

Like less proletarian oriented.

2018-09-12 14:55:41 UTC  

haha long before welfare

2018-09-12 14:55:42 UTC  

But go on for a more pragmatic approach?

2018-09-12 14:55:48 UTC  

Enlighten me

2018-09-12 14:56:29 UTC  

well for example people get together and form social relationships, eventually there's a new generation and you are leaving things to them

2018-09-12 14:56:41 UTC  

Uphold Keynsianism-Baudrillardianism

2018-09-12 14:56:54 UTC  

this is beyond economics becuase there must be some reason you align your interest with your children even though you will die

2018-09-12 14:57:04 UTC  

What if i dont have children

2018-09-12 14:57:27 UTC  

Well then you are still locked in a gift relationship because your parents gave you life and their ancestors to them and so on