Message from @nagarjuna
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Giving gifts? Essentially more welfare and care for the citizens?
Like less proletarian oriented.
haha long before welfare
But go on for a more pragmatic approach?
Enlighten me
well for example people get together and form social relationships, eventually there's a new generation and you are leaving things to them
Uphold Keynsianism-Baudrillardianism
this is beyond economics becuase there must be some reason you align your interest with your children even though you will die
What if i dont have children
Well then you are still locked in a gift relationship because your parents gave you life and their ancestors to them and so on
Eh, maybe until we start collectivizing test tube babies
But go on
But then I guess society would have given life
What if your offspring happens to be a nuisance than entrusting them the gifts?
^
Or how does one cultivate this new generation?
Any specific intervention?
One interesting thing is his analysis of terrorism like 9/11, he points out that more than just killing us they want to humiliate us
who is they
so this is like a social relation, not just an extermination idea. so I think it's about cultivating a mentality in people where they want to engage with the larger society and not just murder people or just accumulate
they didn't just want to kill people, they wanted to inflict a "symbolic wound"
in the gift economy, the challenge is always to find a better gift to give back
That's the presumption the Western Liberal media would like us to believe, but okay
oh ok you're referring to inside job theories?
I'd say the terrorists were moreso acting out of raw opportunism
oh ok
I don't see Islam being the primary driving factor
I agree
I see it as a smaller one
Baudrilalrd points out that if islam here hegemonic there would be terrorism against islam
global power is like a gift, you can get a gift you don't want, because "the given" is the world it has made
Hegemonic in regards to what?
Hegemonic globally?
in marxist terms the spread of the commodity system
as the outcome of Western imperialism
Well, certain Islamic countries do practice Imperialism
Islam would have suffer terribly a huge amount of revolts.
Saudi Arabia being a prime example
Not just terrorism. Their culture is practically quite contrary to the used lives of people under secular/reformed Christianity.
so has this system lmao but if muslims invented the maxim gun first it would not have hattered