the bar has been lowered to the point where hate crime is 1) purely based on perception, and 2) the police solicit it and actually prompt people to ask if something is

yeah ok so you have your own reasons. so far as the guy on LBC i am not buying it

It has increased year on year

The definitions don’t change much year on year

And they increased at a steady rate

i experienced that myself, when my bike was stolen they asked if it was potentially a hate incident based on my sexuality or race

Why can’t you post fucking pictures

In this stupid channel

it was stolen from a train station while i was 70 miles away working, theres not even any vague potential for that to have been a hate crime, but they asked anyway - and people have been trained to understand it's easy victim points and will get treated more seriously

Yes yes your anecdotes and theory are relevant I’m sure

But the stats show a steady increase over the past 5 years

thats an actual experience as opposed to your bias against brexit voters

As opposed to me looking real figures

At real*

you assume that hate incidents have increased in real terms despite the bar being lowered to the lowest possible point

Smh

If the bar had been lowered to lowest possible level

which it has, it's perception based

There wouldn’t be a steady increase without an actual increase in hate crimes

So either way I’m right

Bit circular that

Well it’s common sense

1) make it very easy, 2) encourage people to use it. that will obviously raise figures despite not being representative of the country becoming more 'hateful'

If the bar is already at its lowest and their is no increase in crimes then it should be flat

But it’s not flat

Urgo, obviously there are more hate crimes...

PEP moving away? Fantastic! Another traitor gone <:hypersmugon:544638648721604608>

you're missing the point that people are being encouraged to report things as hate incidents

Smh

-even though they arent- because -its perception based so you can say whatever you fucking like- knowing that the police then have to treat it more seriously

hence hate incident parking disputes

We should just decriminalise hate crimes

You’ve just ignored what I said

Only charge people that actually commit crimes, We don't need to further complicate everything by also charging them with a hate crime

you're saying the figures have gone up, but the figures are based on encouragement of reporting almost anything as a hate incident

plus people these days are more easily offended, and its easy for a poc to scream racist at a whitey

at the same time more and more things people say are being classed as unacceptable - a moving target, hence we see someone getting hounded out of a job and then losing a court battle over it after stating a scientific fact

The figures have gone up, by a barely significant margin tbh

it's all bullshit, and especially the perception based element has to go

Hate crimes should be scrapped tbh

can someone direct me to where i can find what the current definition of a hate crime is?