Message from @Thomas Ryan

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2018-02-17 17:57:20 UTC  

Va and twp, that's a different storry.

2018-02-17 17:57:26 UTC  

We win the hearts and minds first. Then, whatever happens, happens. It's out of our hands at that point.

2018-02-17 17:58:06 UTC  

Does the nat soc message attract more spergs? I think there's a correlation.

2018-02-17 17:58:14 UTC  

^

2018-02-17 17:58:25 UTC  

I don't think it does

2018-02-17 17:58:57 UTC  

Starting a guerilla war in which you plan to hide amongst the people is a plan that's dead on arrival if you've got no people that actually support or are neutral to your message in the general populace. Not saying that's our plan, but it's the plan of others.

2018-02-17 17:59:05 UTC  

@arcloop Tell me more. . .

2018-02-17 18:01:43 UTC  

There definitely is a correlation, not saying it tarnishes the actual quality of NatSoc itself, but those that are drawn in veer too often to making it some type of esoteric religion where Hitler is a god, his generals are saints, and all the soldiers are martyrs.

Beyond that, wanting to cookie-cutter/copy-paste a long deposed regime onto another continent in a new century, is another plan that's a non-starter, and one that's shared by a significant portion of the community.

2018-02-17 18:03:32 UTC  

I think honesty really is key. I would never join a movement that's secretly something else. Stealth is sometimes needed to get the job done, but I want to work with people who are what they say they are.

2018-02-17 18:04:22 UTC  

You counter signal too hard sime times @Thomas Ryan
That being said, German NatSoc won't work in the states. We will build something similar, but our own and relevant to us.

2018-02-17 18:04:59 UTC  

What did I say that you found disagreement with?

2018-02-17 18:05:16 UTC  

That said, I'm not against nat soc per se. I actually have no political affiliation. Whatever helps my people most is the thing that I want.

2018-02-17 18:06:20 UTC  

The deification of Hitler is not the norm with NatSoc types by my understanding. Esoteric hitlerism is very fringe.

2018-02-17 18:07:14 UTC  

But, edgelords and spergs are attracted to it for the wrong reasons.

2018-02-17 18:08:28 UTC  

Openly National Socialist organizations are somewhat of the fringe themselves, for better or worse, and the esotericists always seem to be the loudest and thus most able to veer the message of the group and all that, and when they can't and I shut that stuff down in the past, they freaked out and started splinter groups that amounted to little more than Let's-Hate-Thomas fan clubs, which then made even more noise.

2018-02-17 18:08:45 UTC  

Lol

2018-02-17 18:09:13 UTC  

@arcloop This is all I'm saying. Nat soc is fine in moderation, but that message does disproportionately attract the wrong people.

2018-02-17 18:09:13 UTC  

Then it sorts itself out

2018-02-17 18:09:56 UTC  

I never conducted a formal poll through all the autistic screeching, but the overall emanating vibe was that. The groups never lasted very long because they were based on resentment and negativity.

2018-02-17 18:10:06 UTC  

American Fascism is the future.

2018-02-17 18:10:30 UTC  

^^^

2018-02-17 18:11:02 UTC  

NatSoc can be a good source of inspiration and legend. We need our myths and legends.

2018-02-17 18:12:00 UTC  

I'm gonna get dog-piled here, but America has always been a pretty small govt place. I see some libertarian/fascist hybrid as the way forward.

2018-02-17 18:12:28 UTC  

A Hoppe type covenant society.

2018-02-17 18:13:12 UTC  

Nah man. Small gov is a myth.

2018-02-17 18:13:56 UTC  

Look at all of the people arguing for how gov needs to solve problems. They don't believe in small gov. They believe that gov shouldn't hinder them. Big difference.

2018-02-17 18:16:12 UTC  

Governments had very little power in the way that we think of it before the 20th century. Totalitarianism isn't possible without modern technology. Jacques Ellul wrote a lot about this. I want a return to the limited governance, medieval system of aristocracy and large local control.

2018-02-17 18:24:00 UTC  

Fascism, as I understand it, is like a highly technologized managerial state. I just see it as something inorganic.

2018-02-17 18:24:14 UTC  

American Fascism would very likely be less authoritarian than its European counterparts, but there is a spirit of a national collective that would supplement the centralization of powers in an ideal nation state. People want small govt because they fear oppression and tyranny, and righly so, but the true way to solve such a possibility is to create a system which holds a revolutionary synthesis of the nation and the state as a chief component.

Tyranny occurs when the interests of the State diverge or eclipse those of the nation, but when everything is within the State, nothing is outside the State, and nothing stands against the State, there are no ways in which one entity could oppress the other, because there is merely one national, organic, and cohesive being.

2018-02-17 18:26:55 UTC  

Fascism, in general, is not bound by time or technology as a philosophy. It has existed, in one form or another, as long as humanity, but only more recently been given a name, and political interpretation.

It is supremely organic in that it organizes a nation not by means of artificial voting blocks, or materialistic classes, but by families, communities, and heritage, all of which are bound firmly to our natural state.

2018-02-17 18:27:03 UTC  

@Thomas Ryan I think all of that makes sense. I'm just a big fan of English common law, minus all the Enlightenment baggage. I believe in less government, but strong government, if that makes sense.

2018-02-17 18:28:53 UTC  

I think we want the same things: A return to traditional European governance that puts God, crown, State, and people into their appropriate hierarchies.

2018-02-17 18:33:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/414324024970182656/414489462777839625/IMG_20180217_133009452.jpg

2018-02-17 18:33:13 UTC  

Got the new wired

2018-02-17 18:35:11 UTC  

I think the prime difference between Fascism and other systems is that there is not an end goal that resembles an "End of History" scenario in which everything is in balance and the storybook closes. The Fascist philosophy holds struggle as a non-tangential component of life, and seeks to create a system that is both sturdy, and dynamic as a result.

Here is where elements of Futurism come in, in my opinion, that humanity is not a static mass to be brought to an equilibrium, but a roaring force to be forged into something which can truly progress by means of a united, civilizational force of will.

2018-02-17 18:37:46 UTC  

^

2018-02-17 18:37:48 UTC  

I've always thought of fascism, at least the way Hitler and Mussolini practiced it, as being a highly technical micro-managed form of governance in line with the managerial ideas of the corporate state that guys like Henry Ford advocated for. I'm saying that's a corrupted 20th century way of organizing the State and I want something more intuitive, less technoligized.

2018-02-17 18:37:50 UTC  

Fascism is a spook. Fascists view the State as the end-all-be-all, the one and only sovereign entity. Sovereignty comes from the Nation, it doesn’t organically arise from the State. Authoritarianism is needed to abruptly end the destruction of the Nation and to rebuild it, but eventually returning to early-form American federal republicanism is a worthy goal.

2018-02-17 18:38:15 UTC  

@Kek Exactly!

2018-02-17 18:38:59 UTC  

*Read Madison, not Mason*

2018-02-17 18:39:15 UTC  

Gegeg