Message from @Perception
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its a medieval cult
can you give me a solid reason to believe that
other than "its a cult"
well they have a thing for killing people
lots of people
thats nothing to do with Islam as an ideology
that's to do with its followers maybe
in some parts of the world where there is war
Islam has had trouble progressing past 600 AD
oh and muslims want me dead
thats a big one
Islam hasn't changed which makes it true traditionalism maybe but then that becomes a question of why traditionalism is wrong
doing something simply because its tradition is dumb
tradition does not automatically mean good
there are plenty of bad traditions
also if we're discussing Islam then what Muslims do/subjectively want is irrelevant in this
Yes but traditionalism isn't necessarily bad
so do you think the killing of homosexuals and women who don't conver is wrong?
wife beating?
the killing of homosexuals is if its done publicly, I don't think anyone likes to see two people having intercourse in public
if you're gay then you can continue being gay as long as you keep it behind closed doors
no one has any right to spy on you either
i don't think thats what happens in the middle east...
The role of the church is to provide an example of objective morals within a society. Even as we speak, the tenants of Christian values are evident in the way the majority of American conduct. If I had to pick a church that the state would promote, it would be a toss up between the LDS faith (due to its heavy emphasis on family values and that the family is eternal) or the Cosmothesists (since they think in terms of eternity rather than the instant gratification of the individual).
The issue today is that the middle east isn't actually ruled according to Islamic law
they take certain aspects of it and apply it, but in reality its secular
>that isn't the true islam
every Muslim ever
I'm not making the commie excuse of "its never been applied" if thats what you're implying
sometimes i feel like Muslims are as divided as Christians
If you want to know Islamic law then look at the previous caliphates that applied Islamic law
Ottomans, Ummayads, Abbasids and the list goes on
Ottomans for example had many non Muslims living under them
many cities had non Muslim majority
if they were so oppressed living under the Muslims then how did they last for hundreds of years
Conquest, same as the Roman empire
The moment they stopped expanding, it fell apart.
Anatolia was ruled by the Ottomans for hundreds of years yet had non Muslim majority in many parts