Message from @Simp

Discord ID: 653412050428493835


2019-12-09 01:38:27 UTC  

Specifically the Belarusian Orthodox Church.

2019-12-09 01:38:41 UTC  

Nice

2019-12-09 01:38:51 UTC  

I was an atheist for the majority of my life

2019-12-09 01:38:57 UTC  

Was quite unfortunate

2019-12-09 01:39:23 UTC  

When I asked my Pastor about church supremacy or whatever the concept that the church founded on a rock thing, he said it was referencing the holy church which encompasses all churches loyal to God, not a single denomination

2019-12-09 01:41:07 UTC  

```In the Letters of the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea, the Roman Church is referred to as the "head of all churches" twice; at the same time it affirms Christ to be the head of the Church, and the Apostle Peter is referred to as the "chief [of the] Apostles" – but when listed with Paul they are together referred to as the "chief apostles."```

2019-12-09 01:41:32 UTC  

Catholic literally means universal

2019-12-09 01:41:41 UTC  

It is all churches

2019-12-09 01:42:01 UTC  

So all churches are Catholic chuches

2019-12-09 01:42:02 UTC  

Rad

2019-12-09 01:42:12 UTC  

There's a difference between the Church Catholic (Universal) and the Roman Catholic Church

2019-12-09 01:42:46 UTC  

Not really

2019-12-09 01:42:53 UTC  

The officials name of the Orthodox church is the Orthodox Catholic church is it not?

2019-12-09 01:43:07 UTC  

It is, but they are in schism so they aren't Catholic

2019-12-09 01:43:32 UTC  

What makes you so sure Rome isnt the one in schism

2019-12-09 01:43:43 UTC  

Because it's always been regarded as superior

2019-12-09 01:44:10 UTC  

It was 'persecuted' by the Byzantines because it wouldn't submit

2019-12-09 01:44:30 UTC  

That's why the east disavowed it at first

2019-12-09 01:45:54 UTC  

Was it viewed that way for theologically justified reasons?

2019-12-09 01:45:59 UTC  

Or was it for political ones

2019-12-09 01:46:12 UTC  

Given its proximity to the major powers of Europe

2019-12-09 01:46:24 UTC  

Which gave it infinitely more influence

2019-12-09 01:47:00 UTC  

Especially because their communications weren't translated from Greek, which often lead to misinterpretation which lead to tension

2019-12-09 01:48:15 UTC  

It was theological mostly

2019-12-09 01:48:23 UTC  

```Irenaeus of Lyons believed in the second century that Peter and Paul had been the founders of the Church in Rome and had appointed Linus as succeeding bishop```

2019-12-09 01:48:42 UTC  

Then we had the papacy preaching papal supremacy of course

2019-12-09 01:49:29 UTC  

Read the thing I quoted on the Council of Nicea as well

2019-12-09 01:50:49 UTC  

But is it not cited that the first stage of the Schism began because of the Catholic Church closing down Churches of the Byzantine Rite in what is composed of contemporary Italy, which resulted in the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople to excommunicate them in return.

2019-12-09 01:51:51 UTC  

Was I pinged?

2019-12-09 01:52:26 UTC  

@Perception Religion daily question

2019-12-09 01:52:41 UTC  

What is your view on what *is* hell?

2019-12-09 01:52:55 UTC  

Oh so its because of the role i have

2019-12-09 01:53:17 UTC  

Hell, for sure, isn’t the boiling cauldron that’s commonly depicted in most media.

2019-12-09 01:53:21 UTC  

```On July 16, 1054, Patriarch of Constantinople Michael Cerularius was excommunicated from the Christian church based in Rome, Italy. This excommunication severed the largest faction of Christianity, called Chalcedonian Christianity. The split is known as the Great Schism```

2019-12-09 01:53:22 UTC  

It’s something we can’t discern.

2019-12-09 01:53:30 UTC  

Conflicts happened way earlier

2019-12-09 01:55:45 UTC  

It's described that there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth, so it'll be horrible. Most important is that it is eternal separation from God until the Lake of Fire when Jesus comes again-where it will again be separation from God.

2019-12-09 02:26:32 UTC  

Honestly, I don't see how some Orthodox Bishops see hell as temporary

2019-12-09 02:26:43 UTC  

everything I can find makes it pretty clear that Hell is eternal

2019-12-09 02:27:17 UTC  

That’s their individual perspectives, though I’m sure they’d likely explain why in full.

2019-12-09 02:27:39 UTC  

But remember that the core tenet is that God does not send you to Hell, you send yourself to it.