The worse crusades were excommunicated

I mean if a Catholic could prove to me that papal supremacy is the truth than I would convert without much fuss. @Enkrum

@Enkrum Never heard of them

The community I live in is entirely from Western Ukraine

And all of us are Baptists

Ahh, alright.

Ukrainians are Baptists? That's odd

Yeah, just search up Ukrainian Greco-Catholic Church

@Eoppa Protestants are common there.

I guess

I used to be Baptist

@Simp I'd rather walk off a short pier than come back to them.

@Enkrum if papal supremacy was true though, what grounds would you have to not

I'm not saying I want to be a Catholic

I dont

That'd be an unfortunate revelation.

I agree that there is no basis for it lmao

That's why I became Orthodox

I was from birth.

Specifically the Belarusian Orthodox Church.

Nice

I was an atheist for the majority of my life

Was quite unfortunate

When I asked my Pastor about church supremacy or whatever the concept that the church founded on a rock thing, he said it was referencing the holy church which encompasses all churches loyal to God, not a single denomination

```In the Letters of the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea, the Roman Church is referred to as the "head of all churches" twice; at the same time it affirms Christ to be the head of the Church, and the Apostle Peter is referred to as the "chief [of the] Apostles" – but when listed with Paul they are together referred to as the "chief apostles."```

Catholic literally means universal

It is all churches

So all churches are Catholic chuches

Rad

There's a difference between the Church Catholic (Universal) and the Roman Catholic Church

Not really

The officials name of the Orthodox church is the Orthodox Catholic church is it not?

It is, but they are in schism so they aren't Catholic

What makes you so sure Rome isnt the one in schism

Because it's always been regarded as superior

It was 'persecuted' by the Byzantines because it wouldn't submit

That's why the east disavowed it at first

Was it viewed that way for theologically justified reasons?

Or was it for political ones

Given its proximity to the major powers of Europe

Which gave it infinitely more influence