Message from @Simp

Discord ID: 653410159854616587


2019-12-09 01:34:10 UTC  

The worse crusades were excommunicated

2019-12-09 01:34:17 UTC  

I mean if a Catholic could prove to me that papal supremacy is the truth than I would convert without much fuss. @Enkrum

2019-12-09 01:34:23 UTC  

@Enkrum Never heard of them

2019-12-09 01:34:36 UTC  

The community I live in is entirely from Western Ukraine

2019-12-09 01:34:42 UTC  

And all of us are Baptists

2019-12-09 01:34:47 UTC  

Ahh, alright.

2019-12-09 01:35:01 UTC  

Ukrainians are Baptists? That's odd

2019-12-09 01:35:04 UTC  

Yeah, just search up Ukrainian Greco-Catholic Church

2019-12-09 01:35:14 UTC  

@Eoppa Protestants are common there.

2019-12-09 01:35:27 UTC  

I guess

2019-12-09 01:35:31 UTC  

I used to be Baptist

2019-12-09 01:35:32 UTC  

@Simp I'd rather walk off a short pier than come back to them.

2019-12-09 01:35:53 UTC  

@Enkrum if papal supremacy was true though, what grounds would you have to not

2019-12-09 01:36:01 UTC  

I'm not saying I want to be a Catholic

2019-12-09 01:36:05 UTC  

I dont

2019-12-09 01:37:10 UTC  

That'd be an unfortunate revelation.

2019-12-09 01:38:02 UTC  

I agree that there is no basis for it lmao

2019-12-09 01:38:08 UTC  

That's why I became Orthodox

2019-12-09 01:38:16 UTC  

I was from birth.

2019-12-09 01:38:27 UTC  

Specifically the Belarusian Orthodox Church.

2019-12-09 01:38:41 UTC  

Nice

2019-12-09 01:38:51 UTC  

I was an atheist for the majority of my life

2019-12-09 01:38:57 UTC  

Was quite unfortunate

2019-12-09 01:39:23 UTC  

When I asked my Pastor about church supremacy or whatever the concept that the church founded on a rock thing, he said it was referencing the holy church which encompasses all churches loyal to God, not a single denomination

2019-12-09 01:41:07 UTC  

```In the Letters of the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea, the Roman Church is referred to as the "head of all churches" twice; at the same time it affirms Christ to be the head of the Church, and the Apostle Peter is referred to as the "chief [of the] Apostles" – but when listed with Paul they are together referred to as the "chief apostles."```

2019-12-09 01:41:32 UTC  

Catholic literally means universal

2019-12-09 01:41:41 UTC  

It is all churches

2019-12-09 01:42:01 UTC  

So all churches are Catholic chuches

2019-12-09 01:42:02 UTC  

Rad

2019-12-09 01:42:12 UTC  

There's a difference between the Church Catholic (Universal) and the Roman Catholic Church

2019-12-09 01:42:46 UTC  

Not really

2019-12-09 01:42:53 UTC  

The officials name of the Orthodox church is the Orthodox Catholic church is it not?

2019-12-09 01:43:07 UTC  

It is, but they are in schism so they aren't Catholic

2019-12-09 01:43:32 UTC  

What makes you so sure Rome isnt the one in schism

2019-12-09 01:43:43 UTC  

Because it's always been regarded as superior

2019-12-09 01:44:10 UTC  

It was 'persecuted' by the Byzantines because it wouldn't submit

2019-12-09 01:44:30 UTC  

That's why the east disavowed it at first

2019-12-09 01:45:54 UTC  

Was it viewed that way for theologically justified reasons?

2019-12-09 01:45:59 UTC  

Or was it for political ones

2019-12-09 01:46:12 UTC  

Given its proximity to the major powers of Europe

2019-12-09 01:46:24 UTC  

Which gave it infinitely more influence