Message from @PugThug

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2019-11-28 18:43:16 UTC  

@Diadact so wait youre saying you have to have an open mind for spirits to affect you n shit?

2019-11-28 18:43:25 UTC  

in my exp thats not always the case

2019-11-28 18:43:38 UTC  

True. Yet sometimes these things do elude the very mechanisms of empiricism itself in some ways.

2019-11-28 18:43:44 UTC  

@PugThug how could it not always be the case

2019-11-28 18:45:04 UTC  

@PugThug no no, I'm saying that maybe there is no definite answer to if there are demons or not, and our mind is capable of doing fantastic things, and to break this sort of "limiter" we have naturally placed on ourselves, no doubt for the sake of sanity, you can pray, or preform a ritual, or meditate

2019-11-28 18:45:07 UTC  

@kore_khthonia there are claimed effects that are less quantifiable sure, but there are always things that can be done to provide proof, one way or another

2019-11-28 18:45:52 UTC  

@Diadact yea man, u r one smart cookie, thats a cool anaylsis

2019-11-28 18:46:05 UTC  

I think the design of rituals produces a phsychological effect on people, which can produce the feelings @PugThug describes

2019-11-28 18:46:26 UTC  

@Osteos spirits can fuck with you even if you dont believe in them

2019-11-28 18:46:31 UTC  

I'm of the opinion that there are other entities at play, but I find the debate of if it's completely a human invention or not

2019-11-28 18:46:42 UTC  

*fascinating

2019-11-28 18:46:56 UTC  

its worse for people who dont believe because they arent protected

2019-11-28 18:47:04 UTC  

The act of going through a summoning, making a blood sacrifice, gathering weird shit, all that contributes to a mental state that causes the effects people describe

2019-11-28 18:47:11 UTC  

ie w charms n 💩 like that

2019-11-28 18:47:29 UTC  

but you understand osteos argument, right bot?

2019-11-28 18:47:34 UTC  

he's saying by you saying that

2019-11-28 18:47:34 UTC  

Wearing charms protects you because you *believe* it will protect you

2019-11-28 18:47:52 UTC  

If you don't believe it will, then it won't

2019-11-28 18:48:10 UTC  

"people are worse off because they aren't protected" would fuel his argument that you just perceive it that way

2019-11-28 18:48:18 UTC  

I understand what he's trying to say

2019-11-28 18:49:35 UTC  

ah ok

2019-11-28 18:49:39 UTC  

It's nice that we can have discussions about stuff like this :)

2019-11-28 18:49:49 UTC  

idk belief is a funny thing and i have a strange relationship with it

2019-11-28 18:50:03 UTC  

my guide is prone to telling me not to interfere with what i dont yet understand

2019-11-28 18:50:09 UTC  

so i tend to overlook some things

2019-11-28 18:50:15 UTC  

good perspective tho

2019-11-28 18:50:27 UTC  

Is your guide an actual person

2019-11-28 18:50:35 UTC  

You said his name was Ryan

2019-11-28 18:50:54 UTC  

u mean like a real person or a spirit?

2019-11-28 18:51:05 UTC  

Like an actual dude named Ryan

2019-11-28 18:51:18 UTC  

I think he means like a human being name Ryan lol

2019-11-28 18:51:23 UTC  

Yeah

2019-11-28 18:51:29 UTC  

hes a human spirit named ryan

2019-11-28 18:51:34 UTC  

thats abt it lol

2019-11-28 18:51:42 UTC  

y do u ask m8?

2019-11-28 18:51:53 UTC  

Becuase I wasn't sure lol

2019-11-28 18:52:24 UTC  

Not exactly what I would have expected a spirit to go by you know

2019-11-28 18:52:29 UTC  

Why dont you fuck around with stuff you dont understand? your guide sounds like shit

2019-11-28 18:52:42 UTC  

It's like meeting a demon named Kevin

2019-11-28 18:52:48 UTC  

you need to "explore" your "mind" if you want to progress

2019-11-28 18:52:51 UTC  

Or an angel named Tyrone