Message from @PugThug
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Why does it affect your mental state? Could it be because your thoughts and the actions you take produce a phsycological response that then causes those feelings, regardless of whether anything was actually summoned or not? 🤔
@Diadact it does, because if it's an internal process, then you get people saying that demons exist when they don't 🤔
Right, but there really is no way to absolutely prove they exist without some Hollywood shit happening like stuff being thrown around a room or whatever
Next thing you know, you've conquered the middle east and have waged seven holy wars
hold up ill answer ur question but i gotta read all that text first lol
one thats more unsettling
but you get used to it after awhile
There's also the answer in between, that demons and such don't exist but to unlock the part if your brain that can effect physical things, you have to kind of *believe* that you are having outside help.
The human mind is a strange thing
You could definitely prove on at least some level the existence of outside forces affecting reality. Let's say you make a pact for luck or whatever, you could then very easily objectively prove whether you're beating the odds consistently, in a way that isn't explainable by anything else. Go flip a coin a couple thousand times, if they all land on heads something is clearly going on
That never happens, of course, but the process is there
@Diadact so wait youre saying you have to have an open mind for spirits to affect you n shit?
in my exp thats not always the case
True. Yet sometimes these things do elude the very mechanisms of empiricism itself in some ways.
@PugThug no no, I'm saying that maybe there is no definite answer to if there are demons or not, and our mind is capable of doing fantastic things, and to break this sort of "limiter" we have naturally placed on ourselves, no doubt for the sake of sanity, you can pray, or preform a ritual, or meditate
@kore_khthonia there are claimed effects that are less quantifiable sure, but there are always things that can be done to provide proof, one way or another
I think the design of rituals produces a phsychological effect on people, which can produce the feelings @PugThug describes
I'm of the opinion that there are other entities at play, but I find the debate of if it's completely a human invention or not
*fascinating
its worse for people who dont believe because they arent protected
The act of going through a summoning, making a blood sacrifice, gathering weird shit, all that contributes to a mental state that causes the effects people describe
ie w charms n 💩 like that
but you understand osteos argument, right bot?
he's saying by you saying that
Wearing charms protects you because you *believe* it will protect you
If you don't believe it will, then it won't
"people are worse off because they aren't protected" would fuel his argument that you just perceive it that way
I understand what he's trying to say
ah ok
It's nice that we can have discussions about stuff like this :)
idk belief is a funny thing and i have a strange relationship with it
my guide is prone to telling me not to interfere with what i dont yet understand
so i tend to overlook some things
good perspective tho
Is your guide an actual person
You said his name was Ryan
u mean like a real person or a spirit?