They do

Wrong

Somewhat correct, but let me fix it

The state doesnt control the econony

Yes it does in a socialist economy

In todays world

Capitalism has existed

well thats debatable, but we'll save that for after

It does exist

When?

I don't see a free market

feel free to point one out tho

There are markets

But those are not capitalist

a market economy is not a capitalist economy

Capitalism has been tried and failed.

Socialism is an economic model where the workers have control over the means of production. This can be achieved through any means, but it is not achieved through the state ACTING ON BEHALF of the worker. In order for state socialism to be socialism, the worker must have control of the state

This is socialism

Usa, hong kong, france, germany, etc

Not real capitalism.

Not what you just said

I haven't seen it been tried

USA hong kong etc aren't capitalist

all have state intervention

Muh but that isnt REEEL capitalism

I haven't seen socialism been tried either.

Let's grab a wide range of definitions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

wikiepedia

@The Big Oof It's actually workers or state ownership

@Kazimir Malevich we have

No, you are WRONG

we've seen the State own the mop

and the workers in some cases

"communes"

state ownership is ONLY socialism when it's the workers who run the state

all have failed

But workers run the state

Capitalism, from the very beginning, has allowed state intervention

I think mises even said this

Nope