Message from @Ghost of Descartes
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No one taken seriously has said that state intervention is socialism
In the debates I've had of this topic with you, you argue for why interventiinism is not "capitalist," which is a completely different argument than saying "interventionism is socialist"
You never reach your conclusion
Anything that intervenes in the market is a socialist policy
Thats my conclusion
There is no capitalist economy today
If the majority of the economy is dominated by market forces it is capitalist
By any genuine definition, you are wrong
You have your own definition of socialism, one you've given the word yourself
@Ghost of Descartes Nope
Your definition of socialism is "anything that is not capitalist"
Socialism is workers control of the economy
Not really, many other people have the same defintion as me
which is childish
No they don't
Socialism is worker or state control
of the economy
They do
Wrong
Somewhat correct, but let me fix it
Yes it does in a socialist economy
In todays world
Capitalism has existed
well thats debatable, but we'll save that for after
It does exist
When?
I don't see a free market
feel free to point one out tho
There are markets
But those are not capitalist
a market economy is not a capitalist economy
Capitalism has been tried and failed.
Socialism is an economic model where the workers have control over the means of production. This can be achieved through any means, but it is not achieved through the state ACTING ON BEHALF of the worker. In order for state socialism to be socialism, the worker must have control of the state
This is socialism
Usa, hong kong, france, germany, etc
Not real capitalism.
Not what you just said
I haven't seen it been tried
USA hong kong etc aren't capitalist
all have state intervention