Message from @The Big Oof
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No they don't
Socialism is worker or state control
of the economy
They do
Wrong
Somewhat correct, but let me fix it
The state doesnt control the econony
Yes it does in a socialist economy
In todays world
Capitalism has existed
well thats debatable, but we'll save that for after
It does exist
When?
I don't see a free market
feel free to point one out tho
There are markets
But those are not capitalist
a market economy is not a capitalist economy
Capitalism has been tried and failed.
Socialism is an economic model where the workers have control over the means of production. This can be achieved through any means, but it is not achieved through the state ACTING ON BEHALF of the worker. In order for state socialism to be socialism, the worker must have control of the state
Usa, hong kong, france, germany, etc
Not real capitalism.
Not what you just said
I haven't seen it been tried
USA hong kong etc aren't capitalist
all have state intervention
Muh but that isnt REEEL capitalism
I haven't seen socialism been tried either.
Let's grab a wide range of definitions
wikiepedia
@The Big Oof It's actually workers or state ownership
@Kazimir Malevich we have
No, you are WRONG
we've seen the State own the mop
and the workers in some cases
"communes"
state ownership is ONLY socialism when it's the workers who run the state
all have failed
But workers run the state