Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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a market economy is not a capitalist economy
Capitalism has been tried and failed.
Socialism is an economic model where the workers have control over the means of production. This can be achieved through any means, but it is not achieved through the state ACTING ON BEHALF of the worker. In order for state socialism to be socialism, the worker must have control of the state
This is socialism
Usa, hong kong, france, germany, etc
Not real capitalism.
Not what you just said
I haven't seen it been tried
USA hong kong etc aren't capitalist
all have state intervention
Muh but that isnt REEEL capitalism
I haven't seen socialism been tried either.
Let's grab a wide range of definitions
wikiepedia
@The Big Oof It's actually workers or state ownership
@Kazimir Malevich we have
No, you are WRONG
we've seen the State own the mop
and the workers in some cases
state ownership is ONLY socialism when it's the workers who run the state
all have failed
But workers run the state
Capitalism, from the very beginning, has allowed state intervention
I think mises even said this
Nope
The USSR in that sense was not socialist, but it is the closest thing we will ever get to it
No he didn't rofl
Mises is an Austrian
He did
the defintion I used is directly from him LOL
And?
You think like socialists to, ironic that you're arguing against them
Finna show
USSR was socialist , the state owned the Mop
"Anything I don't like is capitalism"
"Anything I don't like is socialism"
No
It's just that it's that any state intervention is socialist
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ I just explained why you're wrong with your definition. At this point you are resorting to circular reasoning in an attempt to avoid addressing the poiunt
You didn't say anything such