Message from @SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck
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@HitchSlapped! I just think his brother was better at getting his points out.
@Scale_e then why do they keep trying to prove it? XD
“I dont need to justify this thing but other people need to justify theirs”
Side note: I dislike "is god real" question, it's better formulated as "is god true"
@lunemarie Communism leads to starvation and genocide.
Christianity leads to western civilization.
And I’m saying that *as an atheist*.
Christianity leads to kiddy fiddling and murderous oppression
Not that the question of realness vs being true isn't a good question, but it too often leads to sidetracking.
God is real, from a certain point of view
The Enlightenment lead to western civilisation
Christianity leads to the bastardisation of legends and cukture
No, kiddy fiddling and murderous oppression happens *despite* Christianity. Big difference.
@Scale_e that's basically true, but not entirely.
Ah yes because before the enlightenment Christians didn’t oppress people
@lunemarie the enlightenment required Christianity I believe
Think of all of the cool things that got swallowed by Christianity and painted as evil like Necromancy
Or pagan holidays
Nature Worship
Define "oppress" and "people"
Without Christianity... more or less oppression in the world?
Less
Heck even trick or treating is stolen from pagans and bastardised further from there
@Hommedaction requiring you not to be a fuck waffle is oppression
@Scale_e probably about the same. But by different people
and in different ways
The enlightenment was literally trying out classical philosophy again despite Christianity
Speaking of Christians and oppressing others....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite_Wars
And I mean that seriously, society does oppress us, but that's not neccesarily bad
Don't compare to utopia here. 20th century atheism oppressed more and in worse ways than christianity
@lunemarie with a twist though
St.patrick coming to Ireland to chase out the 'snakes' as in the druids, the pagan religion
@leavethisbotnet you're confusing communism with atheism
@lunemarie crusades
Atheism doesn't lead to anything, literally
@Nat you mean the justified were against Muslim invaders?
I'm not just talking about communism
Ultimately Christianity recognised it can be more free and from then on Christianity was in decline
So... before Christianity... when we literally just jumped in boats and raped and pillaged our neighbors for shits and giggles... when we had human sacrifices to appease totemic spirits.
...that was *less* oppression?
it's nazism and fascism also