Message from @ManAnimal
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that is a false equivalence
no it’s not
and it is at the very core of the issue
libertarians will agree with me on this
wtf
However, we’re talking about the specific legal confines of a state itself. From the constitutional sense, it refers to the states; the specific regions of the country with their own political autonomy.
by your argument, a british citizen would conisder the EU and the UK the same
oh hi im british
both fuction as their 'goverment'
Yes they are political entities with the power projection are they not?
well the UK isnt a state
@SnowPirate67 we would just call that a government.
its a collective of states
the State is the government at large
it’s a loose term
each state has its own devolved parliament here
there isn't enough resolution to even hold a conversation if you don't make the distinction to keep them seperate
Unless if made specific, which, within the context of the constitution, refers to the individual regions that became known as “states.”
not in the civil war or seccesion context
the federal gov is secondary
Here you go
therefore saying 'the state has a monopoly on force' confuses the issue
Or, for those who aren’t American, the individual principality/region had primacy over the main governing body.
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however, for the europeans they don't make that distinction; it's all centralized or nothing
wait snowpirate, if you wouldnt refer to the american states as states what term would you use then?
for them, the authority on the local level comes from the top
for us, it comes form the bottom
Think about it like the Swiss government. You have the main Swiss government and then all of the principalities that make up Switzerland.
It’s the State as a whole. The “State” is the entire Govt from local to the federal. It’s all one and the same political entity as the US govt
i’ll link this again for you to read
Each one of them, if we assume a pre-Civil war US mindset, had more political say within their boundaries than the federal government.
A US 'State' was viewed by the consitutions was much like a european country with a federalized gov which each also participated in as equals
each state was considered soverign
fuck
A state can be distinguished from a government. The state is the organization while the government is the particular group of people, the administrative bureaucracy that controls the state apparatus at a given time.[27][28][29] That is, governments are the means through which state power is employed. States are served by a continuous succession of different governments.[29] States are immaterial and nonphysical social objects, whereas governments are groups of people with certain coercive powers.[30]
Each successive government is composed of a specialized and privileged body of individuals, who monopolize political decision-making, and are separated by status and organization from the population as a whole.
this was taken from your thing snow