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2019-09-15 23:55:40 UTC  

that is a false equivalence

2019-09-15 23:55:45 UTC  

no it’s not

2019-09-15 23:55:49 UTC  

and it is at the very core of the issue

2019-09-15 23:55:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613767975614283832/622943681032355842/Crosswalk_state_road_paint.png

2019-09-15 23:55:53 UTC  

libertarians will agree with me on this

2019-09-15 23:56:08 UTC  

wtf

2019-09-15 23:56:14 UTC  

However, we’re talking about the specific legal confines of a state itself. From the constitutional sense, it refers to the states; the specific regions of the country with their own political autonomy.

2019-09-15 23:56:19 UTC  

by your argument, a british citizen would conisder the EU and the UK the same

2019-09-15 23:56:32 UTC  

oh hi im british

2019-09-15 23:56:35 UTC  

both fuction as their 'goverment'

2019-09-15 23:56:36 UTC  

Yes they are political entities with the power projection are they not?

2019-09-15 23:56:52 UTC  

well the UK isnt a state

2019-09-15 23:56:55 UTC  

@SnowPirate67 we would just call that a government.

2019-09-15 23:56:58 UTC  

its a collective of states

2019-09-15 23:57:06 UTC  

the State is the government at large

2019-09-15 23:57:11 UTC  

it’s a loose term

2019-09-15 23:57:20 UTC  

each state has its own devolved parliament here

2019-09-15 23:57:22 UTC  

there isn't enough resolution to even hold a conversation if you don't make the distinction to keep them seperate

2019-09-15 23:57:58 UTC  

Unless if made specific, which, within the context of the constitution, refers to the individual regions that became known as “states.”

2019-09-15 23:58:12 UTC  

not in the civil war or seccesion context

2019-09-15 23:58:18 UTC  

the state is primary

2019-09-15 23:58:25 UTC  

the federal gov is secondary

2019-09-15 23:58:59 UTC  

Here you go

2019-09-15 23:59:06 UTC  

therefore saying 'the state has a monopoly on force' confuses the issue

2019-09-15 23:59:09 UTC  

Or, for those who aren’t American, the individual principality/region had primacy over the main governing body.

2019-09-15 23:59:18 UTC  

^^

2019-09-15 23:59:49 UTC  

however, for the europeans they don't make that distinction; it's all centralized or nothing

2019-09-16 00:00:01 UTC  

wait snowpirate, if you wouldnt refer to the american states as states what term would you use then?

2019-09-16 00:00:07 UTC  

for them, the authority on the local level comes from the top

2019-09-16 00:00:13 UTC  

for us, it comes form the bottom

2019-09-16 00:00:17 UTC  

Think about it like the Swiss government. You have the main Swiss government and then all of the principalities that make up Switzerland.

2019-09-16 00:00:54 UTC  

It’s the State as a whole. The “State” is the entire Govt from local to the federal. It’s all one and the same political entity as the US govt

2019-09-16 00:01:07 UTC  

i’ll link this again for you to read

2019-09-16 00:01:14 UTC  

Each one of them, if we assume a pre-Civil war US mindset, had more political say within their boundaries than the federal government.

2019-09-16 00:01:35 UTC  

A US 'State' was viewed by the consitutions was much like a european country with a federalized gov which each also participated in as equals

2019-09-16 00:01:55 UTC  

each state was considered soverign

2019-09-16 00:02:42 UTC  

fuck

2019-09-16 00:03:00 UTC  

A state can be distinguished from a government. The state is the organization while the government is the particular group of people, the administrative bureaucracy that controls the state apparatus at a given time.[27][28][29] That is, governments are the means through which state power is employed. States are served by a continuous succession of different governments.[29] States are immaterial and nonphysical social objects, whereas governments are groups of people with certain coercive powers.[30]

Each successive government is composed of a specialized and privileged body of individuals, who monopolize political decision-making, and are separated by status and organization from the population as a whole.

2019-09-16 00:03:07 UTC  

this was taken from your thing snow