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Unless if made specific, which, within the context of the constitution, refers to the individual regions that became known as “states.”
not in the civil war or seccesion context
the state is primary
the federal gov is secondary
Here you go
therefore saying 'the state has a monopoly on force' confuses the issue
Or, for those who aren’t American, the individual principality/region had primacy over the main governing body.
^^
however, for the europeans they don't make that distinction; it's all centralized or nothing
wait snowpirate, if you wouldnt refer to the american states as states what term would you use then?
for them, the authority on the local level comes from the top
for us, it comes form the bottom
Think about it like the Swiss government. You have the main Swiss government and then all of the principalities that make up Switzerland.
It’s the State as a whole. The “State” is the entire Govt from local to the federal. It’s all one and the same political entity as the US govt
i’ll link this again for you to read
Each one of them, if we assume a pre-Civil war US mindset, had more political say within their boundaries than the federal government.
A US 'State' was viewed by the consitutions was much like a european country with a federalized gov which each also participated in as equals
each state was considered soverign
A state can be distinguished from a government. The state is the organization while the government is the particular group of people, the administrative bureaucracy that controls the state apparatus at a given time.[27][28][29] That is, governments are the means through which state power is employed. States are served by a continuous succession of different governments.[29] States are immaterial and nonphysical social objects, whereas governments are groups of people with certain coercive powers.[30]
Each successive government is composed of a specialized and privileged body of individuals, who monopolize political decision-making, and are separated by status and organization from the population as a whole.
this was taken from your thing snow
that is the british or 'more general' form of the term
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Sorry for interrupting the discussion
the key difference is whether one is talking from the perspective of individuals who lend authority to their local gov (state) and then that local gov lends some authority to the federalized gov
OR
that each region is assigned a local administrator which receives it's authority top down from a centralized authority
they are two different perspectives
godman i agree with you, i dont quite understand what snow is saying
I think he is confused.
i mean if we are referring to a federal state
But, anyways, the North has always been filled with snobs.
lol
then theres the "nation state"
and the states within it
I don’t believe any of you know what i’m referring to
damn you, i could go with some starbursts now
I need one.
that's probably a better way to view it; city-states which merged to become nation-states vs states which simple act voluntarily together with other city states and appear to the outside as one nation state