libertarians will agree with me on this

wtf

However, we’re talking about the specific legal confines of a state itself. From the constitutional sense, it refers to the states; the specific regions of the country with their own political autonomy.

by your argument, a british citizen would conisder the EU and the UK the same

oh hi im british

both fuction as their 'goverment'

Yes they are political entities with the power projection are they not?

well the UK isnt a state

@SnowPirate67 we would just call that a government.

its a collective of states

the State is the government at large

it’s a loose term

each state has its own devolved parliament here

there isn't enough resolution to even hold a conversation if you don't make the distinction to keep them seperate

Unless if made specific, which, within the context of the constitution, refers to the individual regions that became known as “states.”

not in the civil war or seccesion context

the state is primary

the federal gov is secondary

Here you go

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)

therefore saying 'the state has a monopoly on force' confuses the issue

Or, for those who aren’t American, the individual principality/region had primacy over the main governing body.

^^

however, for the europeans they don't make that distinction; it's all centralized or nothing

wait snowpirate, if you wouldnt refer to the american states as states what term would you use then?

for them, the authority on the local level comes from the top

for us, it comes form the bottom

Think about it like the Swiss government. You have the main Swiss government and then all of the principalities that make up Switzerland.

It’s the State as a whole. The “State” is the entire Govt from local to the federal. It’s all one and the same political entity as the US govt

i’ll link this again for you to read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)

Each one of them, if we assume a pre-Civil war US mindset, had more political say within their boundaries than the federal government.

A US 'State' was viewed by the consitutions was much like a european country with a federalized gov which each also participated in as equals

each state was considered soverign

fuck

A state can be distinguished from a government. The state is the organization while the government is the particular group of people, the administrative bureaucracy that controls the state apparatus at a given time.[27][28][29] That is, governments are the means through which state power is employed. States are served by a continuous succession of different governments.[29] States are immaterial and nonphysical social objects, whereas governments are groups of people with certain coercive powers.[30]

Each successive government is composed of a specialized and privileged body of individuals, who monopolize political decision-making, and are separated by status and organization from the population as a whole.

this was taken from your thing snow

that is the british or 'more general' form of the term

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Sorry for interrupting the discussion

the key difference is whether one is talking from the perspective of individuals who lend authority to their local gov (state) and then that local gov lends some authority to the federalized gov