Message from @Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU
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its not either or
Both have things to offer to good conversation, but the conflicts between them generate impasse at times.
empirically speaking, capitalism is the better way to behave as if its the truth
just like drinking and eating is 'the truth'
but capitalism isnt real, only people acting as if it is
and yeah, yourd be pretty stupid to ignore empirical evidence
but you cant empirically prove a concept or an idea
And stupid to ignore rationalism entirely.
Still can’t prove a negative🤷♂️
always the atheists problem is they see noahs arc and think its not true and therefore should be disregarded, instead of looking at it like a helpful story
@Scale_e The lack thereof is why I'm 100% certain
We were 100% certain the earth was flat.
@Scale_e Cool, don't care.
fiction shouldnt exist at all, and no one should imitate fiction, if we're just going to say that if it isnt physical it should be ignored
When I have enough evidence I'll believe otherwise.
yet we imitate fiction all the time and we love stories that are entirely fictional
I forget whom it was Hitchens was quoting, but he gave his own take on an older concept that includes rationalism and empiricism. Basically, claims require evidence. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. Mediocre claims require only mediocre evidence.
One can believe in dogs on little evidence. It's not quite faith.
One can believe in gods, but it takes a lot of evidence. That evidence is lacking, and faith is how folks make up the deficit.
Are you 100% reality exists behind you?
Why? You don’t have eyes in the back of your head to observe it.
except there is evidence
not in the traditional sense
people need to make sacrifices
capitalism is the best way to operate in the world as we know
and capitalism is something of a christian concept
whereas, if you act as if murder and stealing is good, show me that culture now
clearly, behaving in some ways, and believing one idea is better than another, yields different results
so is capitalism more real than communism?
capitalism is more aligned with human reality as far as we're concerned
Capitalism operates in the absence of gods. It certainly isn't evidence for gods.
i can point to an object, i cant point to a thought, why is the thought not real, even though it can 'exist' in every living thing's head
define 'gods'
because it seems to me that 'god' means the reality of the universe
and when people align with that as much as possible, things go much better for them
I'm on a phone. If you're going to ask me to define God's, give me time to respond and don't insert your own.
As noted previously with the fae:
Entity or entities possessing sapience, "magic powers" able to affect the real world, and an interest in the goings on of the world and it's inhabitants.
Something roughly close to this, as I recall, was Hitchens' definition.
Loose "deist" or Einstein's pantheist "universe is God" ideas don't have interest in humans the way Yahweh and the deities of most religions have. They're also lacking a sapient mind or agenda.
These niggas typing some crazy ass fanfiction up in here.
I'm not interested in unprovable, vague deist-gods.
As Sam Harris once said, "If God exists, he is either evil or incompetent."
in his definition
thought in my framework, you could think god is evil because Entropy is natural
Christians, by definition, believe in a specific character described in a particular book.