Message from @Eccles
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There are no liberals in the UK
There are a handful within Conservatives
Nearest liberal party is UKIP
illiberal undemocrats
There is a Libertarian Party
Libertarian !== Liberal
Although it is essentially non-existent when it comes to actual vote share
The Libertarians of today were the Liberals about 20-30 years ago
Libertarians are nearly as dumb as the Anarcho-Capitalists
ehhh dont know if i agree with that Electic lizard
Humans require authority and hierarchy
dont project your needs on me buddy😜
I think all the true Liberals have adopted the Libertarian label because of the path of modern day liberals
im a strong independent young individual who needs no hierarchy
I mean in the aggregate
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Nah, you do, society needs it because it's how large complicated organisations work
It's the only way they work, inf act
reee muh voluntaryism
I disagree with that
We need very limited Government
But there does need to be structure, objective rules that are seen to be obeyed. People need to be able to trust the system
And at the moment they simply do not
We shouldn't go all Ayn Rand with voluntaryism but we should have a very limited Government
rather than saying "very limited", i would say "clearly delineated"
Hoping you appreciate the difference
i think it should just have limited power
I would go for "clearly delineated" and "very limited"
It really shouldn't interfere in the economy and should mainly just be responsible for policing and National Defence
"very limited" is tacking on a preference for size/services provided
sooo, when is Britain getting a written constitution?😆
I think we should mainly have something along the lines of a Minarchist state
I think we need "clearly delineated" first as a prequisite 🙂
@Eccles far enough
I'm actually fairly pro-public services, but i see it as something that can help bring together left and right - the demand for a clearly delineated government whose institutions can be trusted
The State even existing is going to threaten Liberty so we should just give it minimun power to ensure that very limited liberty is lost
The purpose of the state is to preserve Liberty
(In a Liberal philosophy)