I don't even have to point at this issue from an exclusive white perspective to show how bad of a problem this is.

Hoping to sweep these demographics to vote red is wistful thinking.

Well, as I said, I agree with stopping the bleeding. Build the wall, but after that, let the chips fall where they may. Pointing out ethnobubbles is fine. Dare I say you almost sound like someone who wants diversity. 😉

I didn't care for it honestly I used to be libertarian on these issues but it's really grown that these issues are present and the liberal mind set of these issues is pushing these issues out of the conversation by being "racist" or whatever

The chips rn, the brown ones that speak spanish gotta bounce

The black ones are cool

The legal ones already here that aren't apart of daca or whatever would be here the Hispanics left after the majority are deported are cool.

And the asians are really small minority, but Indians and Chinese people through programs are coming over under these economic guises and are detracting from the organic work that we are already putting ourselves through college and uni's to get to

It's from both ends with the immigration thing

End gerrymandering and many problems go away naturally

@Marushia Dark good talk bud

I hope y'all sleep well, goodnight

Gerrymandering is only possible by how free voting districts are to change. Is there a practical solution while maintaining unlimbered voting customs?

There is no solution to democracy

It's an end goal, nothing comes after it

Is it ideal? Certainly not

Do we have a better system? Not that I know

There are some neccessary stops to democracy, most importantly the required distribution of power

Other than that there's not really anything

Gerrymandering is nothing more than an attempt to undermine democracy

Civic republicanism is the best form of government.

Also, I’ve never supported building a border wall.

That won’t help deal with the illegal immigrants who entered the US legally but outstayed their visas.

It would massively reduce illegal immigration though

Deportation is much more of a symptom treatment in comparison, so if you're again illegal immigration then the wall should be nr1 on your checklist

against*

An improved system of radio towers, guard posts, and motion detectors would be more cost-effective and cost-efficient.

Don’t assume I’m an open borders advocate just because I don’t think the wall is feasible.

Maybe a mixture of wall and security is best

I think the wall is too much of a clusterfuck to build.

idk, in some areas they've constructed a wall and no more illegals are coming through there, where they used to com in the thousands every day

Do these walls cross state lines?

afaik they were privately built, so idk

I only have surface level knowledge of the technicalities

I need more than that, sorry.

Expand the grand canyon, use the rocks to build a wall on the american side of it, then fill it halfway up with water.

Border moat 👌

Can’t.

There's also the argument that a wall cannot be easily undone

So a wall would not dissolve simply because of a new presidency

Fair, but a new administration could just decide to pull funding.