Message from @Aquila Fiacra

Discord ID: 644251547844476959


2019-11-13 18:18:15 UTC  

Who’s she?

2019-11-13 18:18:20 UTC  

Tyche

2019-11-13 18:18:27 UTC  

And are you asking about the free speech thing @killerqwerty

2019-11-13 18:18:32 UTC  
2019-11-13 18:20:03 UTC  

Why doesn’t free speech protect incitement to violence? the reason is, incitement to violence is encouraging violence, and violence isn’t speech so it isn’t covered under free speech

2019-11-13 18:20:33 UTC  

Free speech has limits like slander and inciting violence, but hate speech laws don’t cover either of those

2019-11-13 18:20:55 UTC  

@bobthebuilder69 yes, the violence isn't speech, but why isn't the encouragement?

2019-11-13 18:21:15 UTC  

It would depend the context of the encouragement

2019-11-13 18:22:02 UTC  

If someone randomly says it to you in a expressionless voice, it’s a bit different then someone speaking to a riled up crowd, telling the crowd to fucking riot and kill those foreigners

2019-11-13 18:22:46 UTC  

So in some contexts the encouragement is almost guaranteed to lead to violence, it should be dealt with on a case by case basis as imwouldnt want obvious jokes to be seen as incitement

2019-11-13 18:25:24 UTC  

@bobthebuilder69 as we've seen from the count dankula trial, context doesn't matter. that also doesn't explain why the person inciting should be held responsible for the person incited.

2019-11-13 18:26:31 UTC  

Context doesn’t matter in terms of our current government but I’m saying that it should, we don’t live in a country with free speech anyway

And because in certain cases, the person wouldn’t of done the violence without the inviter

2019-11-13 18:26:35 UTC  

Inciter*

2019-11-13 18:26:38 UTC  

If that’s a word

2019-11-13 18:27:41 UTC  

Instigator, more like

2019-11-13 18:28:32 UTC  

Though, inciter does seem like a valid word, and may just be common enough to be dictionaried.

2019-11-13 18:35:45 UTC  

It is a word I think

2019-11-13 18:35:49 UTC  

No red line

2019-11-13 18:44:01 UTC  

is this far leftist making the blood and soil argument now? 😛 https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1194249737794281472?s=20

2019-11-13 19:05:38 UTC  

UK Politics are an utter joke

2019-11-13 19:05:44 UTC  

how so?

2019-11-13 19:06:20 UTC  

Because we’re not all armed with weapons, marching in the streets @Eccles

2019-11-13 19:06:24 UTC  

Ignore Yanks.

2019-11-13 19:06:38 UTC  

Yank politics are far worse than UK pol atm

2019-11-13 19:07:03 UTC  

Imagine impeaching your president because he's going after corrupt politicians on your side

2019-11-13 19:09:34 UTC  

The US is significantly better

2019-11-13 19:09:44 UTC  

They still have most of their freedoms

2019-11-13 19:09:47 UTC  

Unlike the UK

2019-11-13 19:09:54 UTC  

Such as?

2019-11-13 19:09:59 UTC  

Free Speech

2019-11-13 19:10:04 UTC  

Right to bear arms

2019-11-13 19:10:07 UTC  

They don't have either

2019-11-13 19:10:23 UTC  

Hate Speech laws don't exist in a legal sense in the US

2019-11-13 19:10:29 UTC  

The Constitution blocks it

2019-11-13 19:10:32 UTC  

They don't need to

2019-11-13 19:10:39 UTC  

Their society still implements them

2019-11-13 19:10:45 UTC  

And they still have a Right to Bear Arms albeit a limited one