Message from @Legitimate [OCE]
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I'm not going to listen to it a second time.
I stopped giving leftist YouTubers the time of day.
so you just sit in an echo chamber of people who agree with you?
why not challenge your ideas and see if they stand to other peoples ideas
It doesn't work like that.
why doesnt it?
When you do a basic glance at manipulation/propaganda strategies, the "market of ideas" where you intentionally looking for the best, fair arguments doesn't work in reality.
i talk to people i disagree with all the time, if im proven wrong or something i look to strengthen my argument or change my point of view
When most of the arguments you come across with follow the same set of rules and come from the same instinctual motivation, it doesn't matter if you experience that argument first hand or just think of it while daydreaming.
thats why you challenge that argument, and if its not sound then you disregard it
Basically it's an "oh, you used that argument because it's emotionally manipulative."
you can separate feelings from an argument on certain topics
Debate doesn't allow you to disregard an argument without a paragraph of rhetorical strategies on why it's a shit argument. "That's a shitlib's argument" is much simpler.
Lmao
The majority of people in comment sections and chat rooms simply cannot separate their feelings from their arguments.
I'd much rather be in an echo chamber than spend my free time reading "Trump/Russia collusion!" for the literal thousandth time.
ok and if you disagree with that for whatever reason
Once you know the underlying motivations and them and their ilk's arguments, I don't see why there is a point in constantly engaging with them.
why not challenge it?
Their arguments are all the same, extremely predictable
i could say the same for conservatives
I don't learn anything
Well I'm not a conservative
never said you were
Sure
lol
anyways tho, i just think echo chambers and circle jerks are retarded and dont offer anything productive
I get what you mean, but conservatives and mainstream leftists hardly ever have original arguments that explain in depth why something should be as they promote
you can learn anything talking to people who agree with you all the time
cant*
They provide a platform for organisation and collectivisation of an ingroup, that's useful.
Also that's wrong
I've learnt a lot from people who I generally agree with most of the time
i mean the usefulness is debatable
obv nothing wrong with having a community
but to never branch out and talk to different people?
not really for me i gues
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What is more productive, being in a group of like-minded people steelmanning your own arguments by collecting data and giving each other advice, or exposing yourself to the same beta male arguments over and over with nothing new?
Once you've already explored all the different political points of view and worked out what would happen if they were taken to completion, there is no point in spending your time debating those idiots.